Part II: Conversations with Jean
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Casey: [00:00:00] Hello, and welcome back to the purpose map podcast. It's Casey here, your host and the founder of worthy and well, and I have a bonus episode for you today. Happy holidays. Before I get into it. I want to remind you that you're invited to the purpose map, digital day retreat on January 2nd, 2022. It's absolutely free on me again.
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Casey: And what I think is one of the most important parts of this is helping you to connect with other purpose-driven humans. I think about the moments [00:01:00] in my life where I met. People who are in my life today often it's because I said yes to a new communal experiment experiment experience. That is also an experiment, you know, sometimes when we're doing things for the first time, or you're not sure if you'll know people or you're going into a group experience, it kind of is an experiment as well.
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Casey: People were, the mall is an incredible community of thoughtful, authentic heart-centered humans. So come find your people again. That's on January 2nd, 2022. The purpose map, digital day retreat, you can sign up using [00:02:00] the link in the show notes. Okay. So I said that this was going to be a bonus episode. It is, you know, Jeanie who I introduced you to in the conversation about love, sex and intimacy.
Casey: Well, after we ended that recording, we continued to talk and I was like, Ugh, there just has to be a part two. So a few days later we hopped back on and continued the conversation. Jeannie shared more about that training that she introduced at the end of the last episode. The training that merged spirituality, sexuality, shamanism, and erotic experiences to help people heal and explore their relationship with their bodies, their sexuality, et cetera.
Casey: So I was definitely super curious about that and asked Jeanie to share more details, um, which she, of course did. And. What really came out of this episode that you're about to tune into is more of a conversation around the nuances of how you [00:03:00] trust yourself and how you determine what your needs are and ask for those needs to be met.
Casey: When we talk about letting our bodies lead and connecting with body wisdom, inner wisdom, understanding our own truth, the process is always about connecting with. What it is that you need, what is your aligned way? What is the wisdom that comes from you? You know, and when you're in a. Intimate vulnerable experience or in a sexual experience.
Casey: Sometimes I think the, um, there's like an amplification of the importance of honoring your needs. It's in those vulnerable moments where it can be really hard to ask for what you need or what you want from say a pleasure perspective. And so genie in this episode shares more about how in this training that was.
Casey: Intimate and kind of triggering and, you know, brought up a lot of opportunities for personal growth and development. How [00:04:00] she, how she discovered for herself, what was true versus what was fear, what choices she wanted to make, what she needed to feel safe as well as how her body and our body wisdom guided her to releasing what she called, like a blockage blocked energy.
Casey: Anyway, so many details around that, more on sex and sexuality and intimacy and love. And I think even more than that empowerment and how you trust yourself, and this is how this is all connected. The purpose map is about. Helping you to become more of who you are and to do more of what you need to or want to, as it relates to your health, wealth relationships, it starts with you connecting with yourself.
Casey: And so we're just exploring a bunch of different pathways to help you be more who you are to help you self actualize. And so this is one of those [00:05:00] pathways. Anyway, I'm so delighted to bring back to you. Jean Noonan, my dear friend for another casual conversation, continuing along the same lines of this topic of sex and intimacy and maybe personal growth and autonomy that can be experienced through the explorations around sexuality.
Casey: I hope you enjoy it. Here is Jean Newman. Here am I here we are continuing the conversation. Where did we leave off?
Jeanie: I have no idea.
Casey: You know? Okay. Here's what I recall at the very end of our last conversation. You started to speak of this training that you did
Casey: the sex training.
Casey: And then when we hit like Andrew recording,
Casey: you said something [00:06:00] to me that stuck with me, that I
Casey: wanted
Casey: to like pull back into this space. You said to me that the training could have been dangerous
Casey: for some people.
Jeanie: Oh yeah.
Casey: Tell me more about that.
Jeanie: There was a lot of trauma release,
Jeanie: which
Jeanie: so beautiful that people have a space in which to release trauma
Jeanie: Bosch
Jeanie: with 65 people. Um, yeah. three incredibly talented, gifted And experienced
Jeanie: facilitators. And then we had 12
Jeanie: assistance. you know, someone's going to get left behind, someone's going to not get what they need.
Jeanie: Um, and I was trying to feel into like I really
Jeanie: struggled not, it, it was an interesting thing for me to observe. [00:07:00] I didn't quite struggle with my trauma releasing. I struggled being in such an environment with such dense trauma release, actually. Um, there was times where I was like, this is not serving me to be here.
Jeanie: Um, You know, I've worked so hard for many years to find peace certain areas. Um, and actually now I'm just surrounded by trauma. I get, you know, That for me starts its own narrative in my head of, are you bypassing? Are you trying to run away? You know? Um, but just the words I just said, it was in my head and when I felt into it in my body, I was like, this is not serving me to be here.
Jeanie: Um, and like anything that's profound and powerful, if the right support and integration isn't there, it can be dangerous. I think so.
Casey: [00:08:00] Hmm.
Jeanie: yeah, trying to feel into what, it would have been for me a few years ago. And I think it would have been quite traumatic for me a few years ago. Um, it was really beautiful for me to observe actually, that.
Jeanie: I was to, and I with a lot of effort feel into, okay, what is me bypassing and being scared to do something what is my own innate intuition.
Jeanie: Of this is not serving me and I'm going to choose to not do this practice. Aren't going to choose to do it differently to what they've suggested, you know? but I struggled with that at the start, trying to discern between those two things. That's the really fine line. Um, and it wasn't until I came up against a fear that I was like, ah, this is what this feels like.
Jeanie: And, um, me tuning into actually, this is not serving me [00:09:00] is what this feels like. So I didn't really speak to that in the last one.
Casey: Well, you talked about, this reminds me of the energetic. When you said that there was an experience happening, an intimate experience in the room, and you chose to just sit and watch rather than jump right in. And you said in the last episode that a prior version of you would have gone kind of like all in, but how good it felt to sit back and to honor your own truth and to trust, like you said, I'm 36 years old.
Casey: I have my whole life to have deeply connecting sacred experiences, intimate experiences with other people. So what you're telling me now sounds sounds like a similar energy to that, which you shared in the last episode. And, um, and again, honor your boundaries. I'm curious if you could slow down the part that you just shared around fear, like a fear came up and noticing what that felt like versus a intuition, would you
Casey: say? Yeah. What [00:10:00] might be an example of that? And, even if you're not yet. I mean, I'd love to hear the actual example from the
Casey: actual experience, but I, I recognize that that could be quite intimate, but like, I feel like that discernment is really
Casey: hard for a lot of people And it comes up in the like embodiment journey or like, what does that even mean? so if you could share more, that would be awesome.
Jeanie: And so interesting. I was like, Ooh, should I tell them what we were
Jeanie: doing?
Jeanie: And then I felt I did exactly what we were just talking about. And I was like, ah, no, th this is, uh,
Jeanie: you know, the first thought was, oh, don't share that
Jeanie: that's too intimate. then I actually let that
Jeanie: be. And I was like, that's just a narrative I've made up in my head that I shouldn't talk about
Jeanie: these things.
Jeanie: And actually I calmed down into the body,
Jeanie: it would feel really good to share that right
Jeanie: there. So I will,
Casey: Wonderful.
Jeanie: so to give a broad example, the first it was a seven day train or chorus, let's say experience. the first three days were pretty much [00:11:00] just trauma release stuff. and then the following four days were more, um, exploring pleasure in all its senses.
Casey: Okay. What did slow that down? What does that mean? Like some people, I I'm just imagining a listener being like, um, I don't even know what trauma is. I don't even know what trauma releases, I've never done anything like that.
Casey: I've never done sematic work or body-based work. You know what I mean? Like I know
Casey: we're kind of in the deep end
Casey: right now, but like trauma release work.
Casey: Like, I don't even
Casey: know what
Casey: you mean when you say that. Like, what does that look like? What did you do? Take me into that.
Jeanie: That's such a good point. I'm kind of speaking as if you were all there with me. Um, different practices like guided breath, work circles. Um, Emotional
Jeanie: release tools. I won't go too much into detail of them, but different things Like throwing a tantrum,
Jeanie: screaming into a pillow, you know hitting things [00:12:00] safely, um,
Jeanie: know, somatically using your body
Jeanie: to physically let things out.
Jeanie: A lot of sound wreck, a lot of screaming, roaring, crying. Um, there were times
Jeanie: in that.
Jeanie: room that I thought I was in an exorcism, you know, um, funnily enough, there were times in That room where it reminds me of being with my niece and my nephew. And if anyone has the privilege of being around young children, they, they make a lot of noise.
Jeanie: They run around screaming for what might appear, like no apparent reason, literally releasing things that would get trapped in the body, you. know? Um, So, we were being guided to do lots of those practices. Um, The sharing circles were really intense people sharing about abuse, rape loss of parents, loss of children, [00:13:00] um, really, really deep rooted stuff that they may have ordinarily been really afraid to share Um, yeah, I dunno. Does that give you an idea of the, the trauma work kind
Casey: That helps so much. Thank you. Yeah.
Jeanie: you know, there was a lot more than that, but that gives a kind of an example,
Casey: Yeah. Yeah. Right. So so you were starting to share that this is a seven day experience. the first three days you said were like trauma release. And now I think we have a sense of what that means. And then the last four days,
Casey: were more about
Casey: pleasure tapping into pleasure. Um, so back to the question That I asked you was around, like
Casey: fear of fear
Casey: came up and then it made you discern
Casey: what is a fear and what is true.
Casey: And you were about to share a little bit more about.
Jeanie: Yeah. So for the first few days, I just felt exhausted, [00:14:00] drained, like, uh, there was one particular moment
Jeanie: where I was just lying on my back
Jeanie: almost in Shavasana, like a peaceful
Jeanie: pose. And I just felt such
Jeanie: deep peace while pretty much the other 64 people around me
Jeanie: were like throwing tantrums, screaming. Like I remember at one stage there was just people just screaming.
Jeanie: Fuck you Fuck you. like people.
Jeanie: Like hyperventilating, like really intense stuff. And I was just lying there really peaceful in the sense that my body no energy. It didn't want to release. I wanted to come inwards and I had such a deep knowing a deep sense of that. And of that was in my head. That was a very bodily sense for me.
Jeanie: And as soon as I came up into my head, I had this real, you should be doing what everyone [00:15:00] else is doing. You know, um, you're bypassing now by not doing what the facilitators have suggested you do. and the facility, one of the facilitators did come down to me and they were like, I, we were given six different emotional release tools and I tried them all.
Jeanie: I did them. then just every part, every fiber of my being was saying lay down and rest, lay down and rest. So I did. And after a while, one of the sort of JS came over and checked in with me the very valid check-in of, you bypassing? Are you numbing out? Are you checking out? Um, which in itself is okay if that's what your body needs to do to keep you safe.
Jeanie: And so I was numbing out, out of fear or knowing how to keep myself safe, she wanted to make sure I knew which, and if I needed support that she was there. And so. I was in this narrative in my head of, I should be doing this. I should be doing this as you put in this. even noticing [00:16:00] that they were the words I was using in my head should.
Jeanie: Um, and that I know people can't see me now, but all of that energy and focus was up here in my head. And when she spoke to me and said that, I said, part to me is telling me to lay down. And I said, I just have such a sense of going inwards and to notice. she was like amazing Jewish, you know, listen to that wisdom.
Jeanie: Um, and I did, and I think her coming over and checking in, gave me almost more permission to do it, but there was still this part to me that was like, oh, are you checking out? Are you afraid? is there some huge block now or something that you're avoiding going into? Um, and as the days, the days of trauma release continued that kept coming back, um, I had gone into the course, quite busy And distracted.
Jeanie: And so I didn't that deep sense of trust and connection that I usually do. [00:17:00] Um, and then, uh, the day where we started to do some of the more pleasure based practices were doing, um, uh, self-pleasure ritual, if you wanted to, it could include full nudity. And I am very comfortable with my body in an intimate setting with lovers.
Jeanie: And I've done a lot of work on that over the years. And I spent so many years hating my body. Um, but in a room of 65 people I've just met, that's a whole other, you know, um, and again, Testament to this course, we were never forced to do anything. We were constantly reminded to use our own wisdom. Um, and I've always had.
Jeanie: Which I now know is a fear of blockage of like my legs wide open when in company of someone I don't know, or don't trust, let's see. Um, and it goes right back to, you know, [00:18:00] also not honoring or, um, to our Yoni's our, our vulvar vagina, you know, and not looking at it. Like you said, in the last episode or knowing what is washed and what's it about So ish feelings started to come off of like, don't open your legs. Don't do this. Don't don't don't don't um, Because it's such an intense container. I got really confused. I was like, is this, what is this? No, because it did feel slightly different. And so I chose to call it over the same facilitator this time.
Jeanie: I really trusted her and had built a nice relationship with her at the time. And I said to her, I said, I am feeling like I don't want to open my legs. I don't want anyone to see me. Um, and she said, okay. And she said, can you speak more of that? I said, you know, if I was here with the lover, it would be really different.
Jeanie: Um, but I have a fear that someone will see me basically. And then as those words came out, I was like, [00:19:00] oh my God, is that fear. It's not, it's not wisdom. It's, a fear. It's a block. It's it feels, instead of being annoying, a deep knowing the previous. It was, was like, um, like a, just a stagnant.
Jeanie: It was stagnant as opposed to moving is how I'm choosing to interpret it. And so she said to me, what do you think will happen if you open your legs and someone sees you? And I said, people will judge me. And she just said, Hmm. She said, what if you just do it? And I just looked at her and we both smiled.
Jeanie: And it was so funny. I love humor. I just opened my legs nothing, no one, like there was 65 people pleasuring themselves. No one was looking at [00:20:00] me, you know, The only thing I can, um, compare it to is, know if you've ever been like standing at the edge of a cliff or a diving board and you have to jump off and you like, keep going to do it.
Jeanie: And you're just, you can't and you can't, and then in the end you do it. And you're like, oh, and it felt like I was building myself up to jump off a 20 foot cliff. And then all I did was like, take a step down the stairs. And then happens. The two of us left each other, we burst out laughing. I had previously been crying, telling her about.
Jeanie: this fear and she just said she just nodded and smiled and walked away.
Jeanie: it was in that moment that I felt somatically the difference between these two things, because it is fine that line. And in that intense container, there was , there was no space to really integrate our process. All of this, it was almost like you were having to react really, really quickly to things.
Jeanie: Um, but I just remember having such a [00:21:00] sense of. Having. Okay. It felt initially like it just taking a step down the stairs as opposed to jumping off a cliff. But in the next few moments, it felt like I had climbed a whole mountain in a second. was like, like I blasted through that stagnant wall and that was no gun, you know?
Jeanie: And I'm not saying that all fears are broken down like that. For some, it could be a much slower dissolving. Um, but that was a not true narrative. I had told myself, our society had told me or different things that told me, it didn't feel true in my body. It felt stagnant and stuck opposed to a soft dispersed
Casey: Yeah.
Jeanie: don't know is any of this making
Casey: Wow, genie. I'm thinking that you just did a beautiful job of describing something that's indescribable. You [00:22:00] know, like I know that that's a hard question. Like what, what is the difference and what does that feel like? And, and it makes perfect sense that you're checking in and asking, like, did that make any sense because this.
Casey: Trying to put words to body wisdom. It's like a body wisdom is like a different language. And yet I feel like you did that so beautifully through using metaphor through speaking words, to sensations, through taking us on a, a journey. Um, and you know, I, I'm having this moment of like pulling back and seeing things high level and, and thinking about all of my clients and, you know, people listening who are like, what the hell is embodiment and how do I even describe it?
Casey: And I feel like you just shared an example of like how hard describing an embodied, knowing or experience is. But also how you can do that. So [00:23:00] on one hand, the part of me that is like a facilitator witnessing you in that was like, wow. Yeah, that does make sense. And what a beautiful job you did describing your experience.
Casey: And then the other part of me that was so engaged in your story and this like, fear that came
Casey: up. And I guess at every point in the story I was noticing in my own body, like I was in your shoes
Casey: feeling into how I would feel and you know, that was interesting too.
Casey: So yeah, I just so appreciate you
Casey: sharing because it, sounds like that was a really liberating experience where you were able to heal and
Casey: move energy that was stagnant
Casey: before.
Casey: And, um, and have it hold you down
Casey: or back maybe less than. Would have in the past. And it sounds like it's even like, it wasn't even a conscious thing necessarily. Was it prior to that moment?
Jeanie: No, no, no, because if, [00:24:00] if you'd asked me, do you love your body?
Jeanie: I would have said yes. And
Jeanie: if you asked
Jeanie: me, you mind people looking at your Yoni
Jeanie: intimately? I would've said no. You know, because again, when there's a lover down there looking at it or, know, worshiping it or touching it or massaging it or kissing it, it's like, yeah, yes, please.
Jeanie: But like, is 65 people you've just met. Holy shit. You know?
Casey: And it's impossible. Like, um, you know, I'm obviously having an inexperience listening where I was, where I'm kind of like, Ooh, I'm, I'm private and I'm intimate. And I, you know, I'm like, I don't know if I, you keep saying to me like,
Casey: oh, I think you would have loved that training. I'm
Casey: sort of like, I don't know if I'm into that, you know, like that doesn't really sound like my thing.
Casey: And it's kind of, it's easy to say when you're not in the experience too. Right. Because there are other things, like
Casey: I think the container really matters and the safety that you feel in your body and the context [00:25:00] matters, and it's impossible to imagine how you would feel in that type of circumstances possible for me to imagine how I would actually feel in that type of circumstance.
Casey: And I wonder
Casey: if, how I think I would
Casey: feel is actually how I would and you know, like what my reaction actually would
Casey: be in that moment if I were in your
Casey: shoes. So
Casey: yeah.
Jeanie: Yeah, I should say that like course is designed almost to the minute of all of the things we do before we get
Jeanie: to this point, you know? just like you said, it's, it's all about the
Jeanie: container. And I should also say that
Jeanie: like there, where we have.
Jeanie: Uh, we were all in a
Jeanie: circle and like three or four roles.
Jeanie: there was people who you could choose where you wanted to be. And so if you're at the back,
Jeanie: nobody saw you, was people fully clothed it.
Jeanie: There was people fully undressed. There was everything in between. was people dancing naked in the middle. There was
Jeanie: people curled up in the fetal position with a [00:26:00] blanket over them at the back.
Jeanie: You
Casey: Yeah.
Jeanie: that we had to open our legs at wa to touch us as there was none of that. It was like, we're going to create a space. And your,
Jeanie: your goal is to plead pleasure yourself. And again, for some people that was literally being wrapped in a blanket at the back of the room, you
Casey: Yeah. Yeah. And also
Casey: like,
Jeanie: break, sorry.
Jeanie: It was just breaking apart. That has to equal sexuality,
Casey: right.
Jeanie: you know,
Casey: Yeah. That
Casey: makes,
Jeanie: play.
Casey: That makes, perfect sense. And also remembering like nobody's being shoved in that room, each person that was there consented to it, paid for it planned for it, read all of the documentation and beforehand, right. Like, so yeah, I think in those experiences, you said something earlier that was really wise and I think is worth highlighting.
Casey: Um, and I'm forgetting your exact words, but something to the extent [00:27:00] of how, um, Just how much integration matters. Like these really powerful, any profound experiences experience is only as beneficial as its capacity to be integrated in your real life. Like I'm thinking of other examples in the spirituality space, like people who do Iowasca retreats or have psychedelic experiences and they get these like massive illuminating moments, but then they have no idea how to integrate it in real life or even, you know, you and I met in an ashram in India, that's an intense and profound experience.
Casey: And like, thank goodness. There's so much like conversation before we went home about what integration could be like and feel like, and what supports we could access in that process, because that integration is just so, so, so important. Um, especially in these moments when you're, you're in a bubble, you're in like
Casey: a contained bubble exploring something, but then at the end of the day, [00:28:00] you need.
Casey: Go back home and go back into where the maybe triggers are the environment that is typical for you is, or the, the
Casey: partners or the lovers or
Casey: the family members, or what have you that you're you need to engage with. So, um, yeah, I think go ahead.
Jeanie: Bearing that in mind, like my lovers weren't
Jeanie: on that
Jeanie: training with me, you know? Um, and there were people there who were in partnerships and, Um, you know, funnily enough, uh, one of my lovers, her friend
Jeanie: said, um, oh my God, you and Jeannie, must've been, you, you and Jeannie must be having wild sex. And she came back from that training the two of us looked at each other and we burst out laughing
Jeanie: because there'd been three separate nights that she had come over and stayed with me where we had
Jeanie: literally just cuddled in bed because I was so exhausted.
Jeanie: And, know, I was still processing and integrating so much of this stuff. Um, and [00:29:00] again, it's, it's about removing the, the sexuality from it almost sometimes. Um, and it just being, yeah, like you said, integrated
Casey: Hm.
Jeanie: that Um, that I spoke about in the last one, I'm like, I have so many years to have so much beautiful, intimate connection with. people.
Jeanie: There's no rush. No. You know? Um, and it, it is something that I did give feedback on was that I personally felt like we didn't have enough time for in moments of integration throughout the course. It was a very intense, almost every minute was scheduled kind of
Casey: Hm.
Jeanie: Um, and that really works for some people.
Jeanie: It doesn't always work for me. Um, and went in tired and actually sick as well. I had a cold, So, I found it really challenging, um, Bosch, I think that that's another reason why I feel like it's, [00:30:00] it's not for everyone and it's not for everyone at different stages of their life, you know?
Casey: Yeah.
Jeanie: because if you don't have the awareness of knowing that that's when it can become dangerous,
Casey: Yeah, totally. Yeah. That makes perfect sense. Thank you. That offered so much context to that. Like one liner that you shared with me after we stopped recording about it being dangerous. Like, obviously I can, could imagine, you know, like I'm like, yeah, no shit that could be dangerous. Putting a bunch of strangers in a room to do something super intimate around sex and sexuality, which is like really triggering in the first place, you know, like it makes so much sense.
Casey: Um, and I can also see how done masterfully. It could be healing and empowering and illuminating for people. Um, and I'm like so grateful for people like you who give that type of feedback of like more integration, like, um, there's a maturity about that. It makes me think [00:31:00] about, um, When we were in India together and our like, cleanse experience, like there were so many moments during that.
Casey: And, and for you listener, um, basically as a group in our yoga teacher training, we were guided through a traditional cleansing experience where, uh, we drank
Casey: salt water with lime, like lots of it until our bodies were excluding everything that was inside, basically.
Casey: Um, yeah. And, and I had so many different experiences within that that were maybe energetically mimicking what you spoke about in this training that you were just in, where, um, having a background of.
Casey: A having an eating disorder that is very much in recovery. Like it's been so long and I've done so much work around that, but also being a registered [00:32:00] dietician, working with people around their relationship with their bodies and food, trying to dismantle like diet, culture messaging and, and, um, living in the Ostrom in my room with a roommate who had struggled with disordered eating for a big chunk of her life in, um, a very serious way.
Casey: There were moments throughout that where I was like, uh, has there been assessment around like where this could be really harmful, you know? And, and also in reverence and respect to the tradition and the yoga tradition, like it would, there were so many mixed experiences where I'm like, okay, I can see. I can see why we're doing this and how we're doing this.
Casey: And there's some red flags, like a bunch of Westerners in a different culture, doing something that was, that was, um, aligned with that culture and that pathway. Anyway, I guess that's what I'm connecting with right now, where I think about like, what [00:33:00] I do that again, it's easy to say outside of the situation, if I would, or I wouldn't, which I might have a different perspective if I were back in that container, but like, I think no, you know, um, and and yet, and yet
Casey: in a group that I would facilitate, like, I'm sure that I have harmed people in my own facilitation, obviously, unintentionally I'm sure that I have triggered people.
Casey: I'm sure that this podcast has triggered people like that balance of, um, That balance of trusting someone else's sovereignty and also as
Casey: a leader being responsible that you're suggesting, you know, what you're suggesting and being mindful
Casey: of how that could impact people. I think it's such a
Casey: nuanced
Casey: dance.
Jeanie: Um, yeah, it's, it's [00:34:00] so interesting that you brought that up because when was laying on the ground in that peaceful moment, when everyone else was almost being exercised around me, I
Jeanie: thought back to that cleanse, and again, it was
Jeanie: like this deep knowing in my body.
Jeanie: You've done this, or like, you've done this work already.
Jeanie: You literally excrete it so much of, this trauma in
Jeanie: that cleanse That I was holding onto. And of course even saying that no,
Jeanie: and experiencing it at the time I jumped straight back into my head
Jeanie: of your ego thing. Your work is done, you know, course
Casey: Yeah.
Jeanie: have work to do, was also this deep knowing of like so much of that has already been released.
Casey: Yeah.
Jeanie: You don't need to do this again, lay down and rest. Um, and on that cleanse, I remember being so physically prepared for the physicality of it, the eating for 24 hours, the [00:35:00] violent excretion from the body, you know, being able to, even for me talking about pooping, you know, it was like, uh, uh,
Casey: Let alone, like buddying up
Casey: and trading places like, like sharing the can.
Jeanie: Um, yes, for me it was the emotional trauma, almost a release of trauma after that cleanse, I don't know. Do you remember, I curled
Jeanie: up into a ball and cried for three days? Like I was, I was crying for I've no idea wash. Like, like I was crying years and years and maybe even generations of stuff.
Jeanie: Um, and almost the food stuff was almost irrelevant for me. It was like, I was not prepared for
Jeanie: the emotional, uh, cleanse literally. Um,
Jeanie: again, would I do it again? I'm not sure. Um, but was I [00:36:00] grateful of the opportunity? Yes. And I think anyone who's listening and, and I, myself as a facilitator will echo exactly what you just said.
Jeanie: You know, I'm sure I've triggered people, activated people and maybe not best served people unintentionally, but I also feel like we can be risk adverse as well and not offer people,
Casey: um,
Casey: opportunities for gross.
Jeanie: yeah, an experience on for me so much of, I think what's important first of all, helping
Jeanie: people have their own autonomy discover what that is, help them feel into
Jeanie: it, help them go through experiences where they get to decide encouraging them to listen to their own body.
Jeanie: Because you and I know from teaching and facilitating, you can say something 10 times and people will still say, oh, I felt like I should do it because everyone else was doing it. You know? And so it's almost like [00:37:00] creating a space with your words, your actions. That no, that people know that whatever they choose to do is valid and okay.
Casey: Yeah. and really,
Casey: and really, truly being in that space, you know, really, truly having that trust. And I guess the reason I'm reiterating that I'm thinking about a retreat I was in, in Southeast Asia where the
Casey: facilitator to be Frank, and this might
Casey: sound judgmental, but he was so
Casey: up on his spiritual high horse that like, he spoke words of like, trust your body.
Casey: But if we did anything that was outside of what he wanted, it was like, I
Casey: was like, this is not a true embodied facilitator, you know? And I think there are a lot of
Casey: those types of people in spiritual spaces who actually haven't integrated their own work, you know, and, and that to me is dangerous. Yeah.
Jeanie: It's so interesting. I'd love to tie this back into sex if that's
Casey: Please do, please bring us back.
Casey: Talk [00:38:00] about consent and, needs and
Casey: no, yeah.
Jeanie: Not that, that's what I was gonna
Jeanie: say. You
Jeanie: know, anyone listening. I, I, I hope you
Jeanie: haven't been in this situation, but I'm pretty sure most of you will have been someone says something, but they don't mean
Jeanie: it
Casey: Yeah,
Jeanie: feel like,
Jeanie: you can say no, or
Jeanie: yes. Um, to me,
Jeanie: consent is so much more than words, you know,
Jeanie: it's energetic, movable and constantly changing now, where do you
Jeanie: draw the line with, you know, interrupting
Jeanie: natural flow with, are you okay?
Jeanie: Is this okay? Can I do the, you know, obviously like, always say consent is sexy. someone constantly checking in isms. That's sexy. If it's kind of performative as opposed to actually genuine,
Casey: right. [00:39:00] Yes. That feels so key.
Casey: Performative compared to genuine.
Casey: Talk more about
Casey: that.
Jeanie: short. Um, again, it's so hard to put into words because it's a sense, you know, it's, um, it's beyond words, it's a feeling, um,
Casey: I have an example.
Jeanie: please.
Casey: I'm just thinking about a recent experience in dating, um, with a man where it's like, oh crap. I thought I healed this stuff. It was like, I was on another cycle around, uh, in, in the bubbling up of my own sort of trauma with men in particular where my nervous system felt unsafe with him.
Casey: Like it was activated. Uh, my body was saying no, and he looked me in the eyes and he said, um, you're safe with me. And I looked him in the eyes and I said, I'm the one who gets to [00:40:00] decide if I'm safe. And my body says I'm not safe. Right.
Jeanie: Yeah.
Casey: You know, and, and it's like, and I also wanted to assume generously, like he, I trust his intention.
Casey: He wanted me to feel safe for sure. And I trust that those words came from, uh, a genuine place, but he didn't get to choose if I felt safe. And in some ways, like, I think if I were to slow that down, that felt a lot, like when I was in a relationship where there was a lot of gaslighting where someone told it was telling me what my vision of the relationship was, or someone was telling me how I should be feeling, but my body was experiencing something different and I didn't have the wisdom that I have now in that relationship.
Casey: And I stayed too long in it and it was emotionally abusive and it really fucked with me. And it made me feel small, you know, and it also showed me. How to [00:41:00] better trust myself, how it also set me up on a journey to understanding body wisdom on a whole other level, to like sensing red flags, you know, because that is such a
Casey: felt sense experience.
Casey: And I think about, yeah, like circumstances of non-consensual sex, not good, right? Like where you say no, and someone's like, oh,
Casey: okay. And sort of like back off and then come
Casey: onto you, like right away. I'm like, did you just
Casey: hear me? Like, I'm telling you, um, so it is so tricky and nuanced. Um, yeah. What comes up for you,
Jeanie: So when you, were saying, um, when that person said to you, you you're safe
Jeanie: with
Jeanie: me
Jeanie: personally for me, because I've been in a similar experience.
Jeanie: where, um, a guy I was seeing was I felt so safe with him
Jeanie: initially. [00:42:00] And then things kind of start to break down and a really
Jeanie: similar experience. And he couldn't comprehend.
Jeanie: When
Jeanie: I told him I didn't feel safe, that I wasn't talking
Jeanie: about physical safety. So wasn't, you know, um, inappropriately touching me without consent. He was never physically or sexually abusive to me, but I didn't feel safe with him. And he could not comprehend that. No, probably have better language and stuff to explain it No, we were both in a tricky place. Bought what, when you were speaking, what came up for me is had that person said to you, are you feeling okay? Or is there anything I can do far, you know, to make you feel safe
Casey: Yeah.
Jeanie: have the whole energy. and remember being in an [00:43:00] interaction before, um, and it was with a beautiful couple.
Jeanie: I could tell Um, one of people in the couple was not was just contracting slightly. And again, it was such an intuitive, energetic sense. And just looked at her and I said, are you okay? And she was a bit stunned and she kind of said, I think so. I said, What do you need right now? And she took a big deep breath and she said, I needed you to ask me that question.
Jeanie: I'm feeling okay in it then, you know, so I didn't say tell her to do anything or tell her to feel anything. checked in to see how she was feeling and knowing someone was checking in with her to see how she was feeling and that deep breath of being present, of maybe going off into fantasy land or something, you?
Jeanie: could just see her whole energy just dropped down [00:44:00] into her body.
Jeanie: And I didn't consciously say those words to make that happen again. It was just intuitive.
Casey: Right.
Jeanie: Yeah.
Jeanie: And I just always remember her words. She just said, I need, they needed you to ask me that question. her partner looked at me as if I was some sort of magician, you know, but to gender, but often women are more intuitive with the energetic side of things.
Jeanie: Um, but you could see him just observing and taking it all in which feel like they've brought into their relationship now as well, which is beautiful,
Casey: Yeah.
Jeanie: Um, but it's like any wisdom. It's never the answer. It's the question it's asking the question, you know, and having space for the question.
Casey: Yeah.
Casey: And for you in that circumstance to ask that question, you said it was intuitive. You had to be embodied and present in order to do that. So again, it makes perfect sense that people don't have the skills to. [00:45:00] Have that level of attunement and depth, et cetera, given that I think there's so much trauma around sex, which means people are disembodied.
Casey: And when you're disembodied, when you're in your head, you're not in the present moment and you're not able to necessarily access intuition in a way that you can when you're embodied. And so it just it's like, it makes sense. And sometimes I wonder, like how would the world change if they had more skills, embodiment skills, coaching skills.
Casey: I think about the skill of acknowledging and validating. I spoke about this in previous episodes, like in relationship and in sexual circumstances. Like if, if that, um, man had said to me, um, of course you're feeling unsafe given that you have trauma. And, and, and I'm a man and this is new. Um, anyone in your shoes would [00:46:00] feel that way?
Casey: How can I help? What do you need? Instead of telling me that it's safe, you know, it's like, wow, what could change if we were embodied and able to access our felt
Casey: sense, able to trust it, able to act on it, able to have skills to ask questions.
Casey: Um, I think we'd be able to lean into these vulnerable moments with more care.
Jeanie: Yeah, something that's come up straight away for me.
Jeanie: I don't feel like this is everyone's experience, but it's a lot of people's experience considering
Jeanie: the social media worlds that we live
Jeanie: in
Jeanie: I've been fortunate to have intimate experiences with some of the most like a statically, socially accepted people, right?
Jeanie: and women, right? I've I've had interactions with some of the most beautiful a
Jeanie: particularly beautiful people. [00:47:00] And not always that the most erotic experience because often they've been praised so often for their good looks that they haven't ever needed to do any deep diving on stuff.
Jeanie: Okay. And again, this is such a generalization, and if I think back to some of the best sex I've ever had, it's with embodied people it's with present people. it's I like, I've, I've had sexual experiences with the same person, let's say in the course of a relationship where very based on where we both are in how embodied how present, how much we love our own selves how present we are in that moment.
Jeanie: Um, and I remember with, um, a recent enough ex partner actually, we met up recently just to kind of have a bit of closure and we're still in each [00:48:00] other's lives. It was a very conscious, at times, painful separation, um, and together we both explore it. So many of our sexual interests varied, varied things, and we were chatting and lamenting and, and reflecting on things.
Jeanie: I said to him, remembered that time and he just went okay. And I, I didn't mention the time. Um, and I'm not joking. It was probably, I think it was like missionary position, nothing wild or fancy, but we were both incredibly present, incredibly connected energetically and physically, and it, both stood out instantly in each other's mind
Casey: Wow.
Jeanie: a beautiful, sacred experience, you know, because we, as cheesy as it sounds achieved oneness [00:49:00] in that moment, you know, um, and it doesn't have to be this fancy tricks or, you know, techniques, or, um, I'm thinking back to my like teens and I was reading cosmopolitan and it, was like 10 ways to cheat, you know, and it's just like no
Casey: Yeah.
Jeanie: body body.
Casey: Yeah.
Jeanie: and they'd love to share another experience from the course where. We were doing a breath work practice, and it had quite, almost psychedelic effects. We were breathing in a really particular way. mind. There was no substances whatsoever. Uh, we were just about load coffee. Um, and I had such a profound realization where all I heard was two words in and I burst out laughing because I've spent so much of my life on my sematic [00:50:00] journey, through dance and yoga, trying to, and these are my words.
Jeanie: Get out of my head and it came through so clear. Like, it's not get out, it's get in. And during the experience, I actually put both my hands on my head and like pushed myself back into my body if to be like, get in, get down, you know, like drop your anchor down, stop trying to get out of your head, get into your body.
Jeanie: And I use just lying on the ground laughing. I was just hysterically laughing, but like 10 years of like yoga training, know, breathwork training meditation. And all of that was summed up in two words, get in, you know, get into your body and Fieldings, but giving myself, um, compassion that there was [00:51:00] so much work I had to do to feel safe,
Casey: Hmm.
Jeanie: my
Casey: Wow. Yeah.
Jeanie: it's nobody's fault.
Jeanie: It's like, it's not this light bulb switch going on. There was 10 years of sematic work behind that, you know, and for other people it could be 10 minutes, but for me was just, and I was just lying on the ground, laughing, just pleasure and joy at the simplicity of it. now whenever I'm feeling overwhelmed or complicated, like, right.
Jeanie: Get in, in.
Casey: you put your hands on
Casey: your head and you push yourself into your body. I love
Casey: that.
Jeanie: I was just, it was so physical. So visceral that feeling of like, like me trying to get out was like every other prior to me, it'd be like, get in, get
Casey: Yes. Yeah. And it's like, I don't know. Something I keep thinking of too is like our brains, like our minds, like they're not a problem. Right? Like that's not an
Jeanie: No.
Casey: It's like what a gift we would [00:52:00] literally wouldn't be here without the brain and nervous system. Right? Like the brain and nervous system or the body without the brain and nervous system would like.
Casey: Just be a puddle, you know, and the, and the,
Casey: the brain and nervous system without the body, you would
Casey: have like nothing to sense. Like it's, it's, it's integration. It's just that like,
Jeanie: Hmm.
Casey: the body is left behind so often that I think we have to bring focus to it. And sometimes that language of like, get out of your head, get out of your head, get out of your head can be just like so common to
Casey: say, but I love this.
Casey: Get in. And I almost have this visual of like
Casey: most of us do start
Casey: in the head kind of like our culture kind of trains us to be in the head. So that sort of pushing
Casey: down is almost like drop the awareness in an integrated way from the brain into the body.
Casey: um,
Jeanie: um, just like you said, it's, it's not a problem to be in your [00:53:00] head, but if you're constantly there and ignoring the
Casey: Yeah.
Jeanie: That's when there's an issue, you
Casey: And there's a damn good reason why, and you spoke to this, like if it's not safe
Casey: to get in to your body, which it isn't for a lot of people, cause our bodies store trauma, painful experiences, like we need to approach that work, this work embodiment work with a level of care and tenderness because it isn't necessarily easy.
Casey: I'm having a moment. Um, there have been different points throughout our conversation where, where I'm thinking of the person listening, who is like, whoa, I'm so not there yet. You know, like you and I are having this conversation, Jeannie. And you're talking about this training where you're spending seven days in a place with strangers where nudity is involved.
Casey: Like, I can [00:54:00] imagine that some people are like, What the fuck I could not imagine ever even considering that, like, let me help me please. Just like, be able to have an honest conversation with my partner that I've been with for 30 years, you know, like I think about clients that I have where it's like, that's where they're at.
Casey: And we both have the privilege and also have done so much work to be able to like get in and get in and get in and get in and go deeper and deeper and deeper. And yet I think it's so,
Casey: so normal to be like, can I just have one conversation with my partner that I've been with for years? You know, let alone feeling this like ecstatic, pleasurable sexual experience.
Casey: And I guess I'm, I'm kind of like wanting to step into that person's shoes for a moment. And. [00:55:00] Yeah, I'm curious. I see you closing your eyes, like stepping
Casey: into that person's shoes. Like what might be the very first step to getting in.
Jeanie: Straight away what's come through for me. Is that isn't the only way, the way I'm sharing with You guys. Now, this was my experience on this course that I chose to do. but also there was a part of it where again, nudity was always optional and it wasn't, it wasn't perverted nudity. Okay. It was like, look at the sacred
Jeanie: gift that God Allah, know, the sun, the moon, the universe has given you have this physical body there's absolute miracle.
Jeanie: If there's blockages close can often be, you know, [00:56:00] I'm just going to cover up and hide. if you're wearing clothes, clothes consciously, and of course, if it's cold, it's fucking cold,
Casey: Yeah.
Jeanie: but it was in a way it was a very tangible way of like let's remove all of these barriers. Let's remove all of these things of like what it means to be or woman, let us all be in our divine humanness. And then we can start to really deeply connect with ourselves. then for some people that could go on to lead to, I now know myself so intimately.
Jeanie: And I have such reverence and respect for others because a lot of the sharing circles and trauma, was coming up for me anyway, and others shared something similar was that we are all And. to be so tender and gentle with [00:57:00] everyone, you know, it, it, I felt really, there was a lot of equanimity, a lot of equalness throughout those experiences when we started to realize, oh, that person who appeared like they had it all together dying insight as well. you know? And let's all uplift them together. even around there was a, like every age from 21 to, I think 70 was the oldest person on the course.
Casey: Oh, my gosh.
Casey: I love that.
Jeanie: a third of them were over 50
Casey: Well,
Jeanie: there was a moment where like, there's a lot of young, very attractive new bile bodies. Let's call them.
Jeanie: There was one moment. I remember looking over at this woman, she said four children she's in her mid fifties. She used to be a dancer. has a phenomenal body for her age. she had shared how much she loves her body, that it has birthed it for children. It keeps her strong she's mobile. And there was a time when I looked over to her and I was like wow, like I [00:58:00] am so attracted to watching her body move because she was so in her body versus, you know, what society might tell us is a lot more attractive body of a, a young 21 year old who is checked out, you know, who doesn't think there were the, um, and so I've kind of gone, gone off track a little there, but I suppose my point is. I kind of went into this course, not actually knowing a huge amount about it. Uh, something told me to do it and I trusted. And that's often actually, that's always how I've done courses, the one where I met you. So I'm very grateful for that Um, other people might like to know a bit more about it, and of course I've shared Like snippets of wash was this very well thought out, very well practiced and you know, well held container.
Jeanie: I felt [00:59:00] that can be taken individual experiences, you know?
Casey: yeah.
Jeanie: but to answer your question of what would be the first step Again, the answer is get in. is it for you that is preventing you getting in.
Jeanie: and maybe starting there. And actually it could be starting with the hand. I don't know why that's come to mind like, can you feel your hand for a lot of people, this is a safe ish space.
Jeanie: know, like asking them to feel into their genitals could be really difficult, but like, what does it feel like to be your right hand? And maybe you'll just go from there, you know?
Casey: Both Jamie and I right now have our hands in front of the camera and we're literally just like running our, each of our, each of us are running the thumb over the fingers and just like making fists and opening up the Palm and I'm taking my left finger and kind of like, Ooh, sort of tickling the [01:00:00] center of my Palm and it feels kind of nice.
Casey: Yeah. I love that. And, and Jeannie, you know, even as you were talking more about the course and when I sort of zoom out and think about the themes that have been revealed through these two conversations, here's what I keep hearing us speak about. Uh, this comes back to when we pulled. Mary Magdalen card.
Casey: In the last episode, at the very beginning, you said, you said something that the course did as it dropped you into the divinity of humanity, right? We're all equal. There's a divinity in whatever shape we come in. And I think that in and of itself is a profound, uh, idea to explore for someone who is like, I want to be more in my body.
Casey: Do you see your body as a divine gift period? Because if you don't, you know, if it's, if it's like, Ugh, I hate my [01:01:00] body. If you hate your body, uh, it's hard to get into. Right. And, and it's maybe possible, but maybe explore that. What does that even mean? What might it mean to see my body. Even a tiny bit more like a gift.
Casey: I think that's one big theme that I think is coming through in this training. What you just said about the hand, explore your own hand. What does it feel like to experience a safe part of your body? I remember a yoga class. Uh, I was in university, but this may be, might've been, it might've been the yoga class that got me into yoga up until then.
Casey: I hated yoga. I never wanted to go. I went because a friend invited me and I wanted to be her friend, but I remember this one particular yoga class where it was the first time that I realized that I could, that I had a pinky toe like that I could feel my pinky toe. And I was like, oh my God. [01:02:00] I've literally never felt my toes.
Casey: I never felt it bend. It was in downward facing dog or mountain pose as a Vish Vigi would call it mountain posts where my, my pinky toe was like bent and I could feel sensation in it. And I was like, holy shit, there's my body. Like how have I gone 20 some years without realizing there was sensation in my pinky toe.
Casey: You know, and it's like our extremities, our safe places. It feels like as we get closer into the center toward the heart, toward the genitals, toward the, toward the center line, that's where more vulnerability is more trauma is stored more, um, tenderness may be, but like, how can you feel just a part of your body?
Casey: And even that question, when you talked about pleasure in the context of the course where for some people, it was like having a blanket around them. It wasn't masturbating necessarily. but
Casey: even that, like, how can you allow yourself [01:03:00] mindful pleasure, not just this, like tap out by drinking a bottle of wine, pleasure.
Casey: How could you sip your wine
Casey: and taste it and actually like really enjoy it. You know, I feel like those are all ways to come in, to get in to the body, to
Casey: get into the first parts of pleasure.
Jeanie: Yeah. Oh, even as we're talking, I'm still exploring what it's
Jeanie: like to be in my right hand. I just, just, cause I'm holding the phone on my left, but like I've been my fingernails up and down my leg, you know, and feeling the material of my
Jeanie: and you know, like what does It feel like, in my leg and my fingers and you know, like not aroused right now, but I'm enjoying the feeling of pleasure.
Jeanie: you know?
Jeanie: Um,
Jeanie: it's You could spend hours doing this.
Casey: Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting. [01:04:00] The timing of this conversation, like we're literally about to enter into a holiday season for the folks that, um, that celebrate Christmas and, you know, I'm thinking about you and I being. Well, I would use the term for myself, a single person. And I'm actually like, not dating, not seeing anyone.
Casey: Um, I feel like I'm wanting a monogamous relationship. I feel like I'm clear on what I want. And right now I'm really enjoying my own life and my own, you know, offering myself pleasure and touch and kindness and the things that I want from a partner, I'm really in a space of enjoying that for myself. And, um, you know, so we're not, we're not like in these like traditionally partnered experiences and it's the holiday time.
Casey: And I'm thinking about how, um, in years past the holidays would really represent [01:05:00] another. Another year passing as a single person. You know, when the world is telling me I should be partnered by now. And, you know, I can imagine, I know that there are single people in this community. Uh,
Casey: some of you are my clients and you're entering into the holiday season and, and some of those feelings can come up around like loneliness or why am I not partnered or whatever that may be.
Casey: And so I feel like there's something that's interesting about the timing of this, because, and, and as I reflect this holiday, it's like, wow, I'm in such a different place than I was as a single person going into the holidays where I just see my singleness as like a
Casey: Reverend place to be, you know? And yeah, I'm curious what you would say to,
Casey: to someone who is kind of like, Ugh, another holiday as a single person.
Casey: You know what I mean?
Jeanie: Yeah. Oh my God. I've been there so often. And then I've
Jeanie: been in the opposite where I've [01:06:00] been in a
Jeanie: partnership. I was in a marriage where so much of it, it
Jeanie: was beautiful. And then there was times where I felt
Jeanie: so uncomfortable being in that relationship, you know, because it wasn't far by the us at the
Jeanie: time. so it's actually, it goes two ways and it's so interesting Cause I know when I was single, I was looking at everyone in a partnership being like, oh, their
Jeanie: life is perfect. then I'm sure there's people who are in partnerships that
Jeanie: maybe it's not the best time for them, or they're
Jeanie: just not in a good place right now. Or maybe it's the wrong relationship. Um, or it's just the end of the relationship as it is, wish they were single, you know? and then I suppose in this, moment I am exploring ethical non-monogamy or polyamory. Relationships, both from the place of being also bisexual. So with men and, women or greedy as my friends call me.[01:07:00]
Jeanie: but it's interesting. and I'm going to say this now, but it, it has to be fast and realized I often was coming from a place of lack of no one there for me. No one understands me. everyone's a moron. I often say that I feel really bad, but it's often what comes up when I, I'm swiping through profiles, you know, And just through lots of different things.
Jeanie: I wish I could tell you, there was a secret, a secret practice, but it's through lots of different stuff that they came into an abundance, more of an abundant mindset around pleasure in general and what it is I needed in my life. And you know this well, it's exhausting to do that for yourself all of the time, but there are things you can give yourself and then a partner or partners who can give you that back.
Jeanie: And plus some beautiful. [01:08:00] Um, but just to tie it all together. I think asking yourself what it is you truly desire And star, like, can you give even some of that stuff to, yourself and try not to give it yourself from a place of oh, I have to do this. Another thing I have to do for myself, but like, I ain't going to really do this. like, I'm still rubbing my hand up and down my leg and it feels really, really nice.
Casey: I love that.
Jeanie: So can you pleasure yourself the way you wish you were pleasured? And then if, and when You meet someone
Jeanie: know so much better, what it is you want
Casey: Yeah.
Jeanie: then maybe they'll surprise you also, you know,
Jeanie: in a supportive way.
Casey: Yeah.
Jeanie: we're meant to be with others. We're communal creatures. We're not meant to be alone. There's times you and I both love being on our own, it's having the choice around being your
Casey: Yeah,
Jeanie: for me is most important. Yeah.
Casey: I want to double click on what you said [01:09:00] about coming from lack into a space of abundance. You know, like we're indifferent, we're in different spaces right now in terms of our types of relationships and, and even what we're wanting, what we're wanting to call in my, I don't know if you have the app, the pattern it's like a human design based app that gives you like notifications about yourself and about like what's happening in the world from an astrological perspective.
Casey: Anyway, right before we started this call, I got a notification from the pattern that said, uh, you want to be in a partnership where you can claim the other person and they can claim you. And as I read that, I was like, you know, after exploring. Uh, openness and relationships and all kinds of all kinds of things.
Casey: It's like, yeah, the, at this moment in my life, I want a monogamous partnership that I can go deep with for a chunk of time, you know? And I'm like, huh, that is just true. And I used to come from lack where it's like, oh my God, there's no good [01:10:00] people out there. Like where are they? And now it's sort of like, well, if I exist, they exist.
Casey: And like, we just haven't met each other yet. So let me just go on, live in my bad life. Like, of course they're out up there. It's like the shift from lack to abundance is so beautiful, you know, and yeah, I'm sure over the holidays, there'll be these little light niggles of lack that will come up.
Casey: And I feel like strong in my conviction around like how I want to approach my life.
Casey: And that feels good.
Casey: Yeah. Oh my gosh. We
Jeanie: I'm so happy.
Casey: three, um, Jeannie, I haven't mentioned this to you, but I would like to invite you if you're free on January 2nd from 10:00 AM MST. That's my time to 2:00 PM. So that would be what 10:00 AM is.
Jeanie: 5:00 PM.
Casey: 5:00 PM to 9:00 [01:11:00] PM your time. So for all you folks in Ireland and
Casey: Europe, um, I would like to invite you, I am facilitating something called the purpose map, digital day retreat.
Casey: And I used to run these day retreats in-person um, at a little studio that were really about using the purpose map framework to look at like life and connect with your core values, how you want to feel what you want to call in for your life. And. Really deeply connecting with other beings. And I decided this year that I wanted to facilitate this online for our international community for free.
Casey: Typically I charge 500 bucks for it,
Casey: but it's a free thing that's happening on January 2nd. And I just realized
Casey: yesterday that it's like January 2nd, 2022 is 2, 2 0 2 2. And I think that's kind of a
Casey: suspicious, it's a new moon.
Casey: It's uh, I just thought there's something that feels a bit magical about that day.
Casey: So I'd love to invite you to join [01:12:00] and I'll give you the registration link if you'd
Casey: like and invite your friends. And
Casey: as I invite you, I'm also inviting you listener.
Casey: If you'd like to join this
Casey: digital date retreat on January 2nd, I guess that would, might be January 3rd
Casey: in places like Australia. Um, but I will make sure that I link that up in the show notes too, but are you free?
Casey: Can you come
Jeanie: I think I can. I I'm, I'm busy in the morning, but it'll be your morning,
Jeanie: but my evening.
Casey: totally. Well, you don't have to, you
Casey: don't have to commit to anything right now, but I just wanted to put
Casey: that out there.
Jeanie: My body thing. Yes. and then I'll just see what my diary says.
Casey: I love that. Um, final words before we close.
Jeanie: Get in and enjoy your body.
Casey: Mm. I love you so much. And I'll talk to you soon.
Jeanie: Love you. Thank you for asking questions.
Casey: Oh, you're so welcome.
Casey: [01:13:00] Thank you so, so much as always for tuning into this podcast. Honestly, wouldn't be here without you. I hope you loved that episode with genie and that the last couple of episodes around sexuality and intimacy, um, and all things, all the things we spoke about were meaningful and that you really received something from it, um, to integrate, how can you get in and enjoy?
Casey: Those are genius. Last words. What would it mean to you right now to get. And what's one thing that you could do over this holiday season for your own personal place. I'll leave it at that. I hope to see you at the purpose Mount digital day retreat on January 2nd, the link is in the show notes for you to register.
Casey: And I can't wait to speak with you. Oh, so soon, next week we have our final episode of the worthy and well loved series. It's a live coaching [01:14:00] conversation with a community member who is asking the question, how do I know if I should stay and work on this relationship? Or if it's time to get out of. So that's what you can look forward to next week.
Casey: All right. Talk to you soon. Bye-bye.
