Stumbling Through Discomfort with Blake Berglund
Casey Berglund: [00:00:00] Hi friends. Welcome back to the purpose podcast. This episode is interesting because this theme comes through around being in the space between the unknown, the middle. And we wrapped up season one of the podcast, uh, just at the end of March there. And we'll be launching into season two in June or July, and yet.
Casey Berglund: Inspiration has bubbled up for a bit of a surprise series for you. And it's such a delight to kick off this surprise series by having a conversation with my brother, Blake Berkland. I mentioned. The series was inspired, inspiration, bubbled to the surface. And specifically that has been around, um, helping men find more spaces in [00:01:00] places for healing and transformation.
Casey Berglund: I've been asked a lot, uh, since I started where the unwell. Lately, especially if I work with men and have had conversations with men and there's been many men coming through our space, the shared healing space that I work within, and this theme of like growth transformation, navigating big change, finding purpose from the perspective of men.
Casey Berglund: It's just been everywhere. And I have just decided to pay attention and dedicate a, an email series to the beautiful men in our community and this podcast series, which will be four or five parts. I'm just waiting for confirmation on one of the final guests, all men, all incredible men. Heart-centered men, powerful men who are navigating life and change.
Casey Berglund: And it's such a pleasure to bring them to you. Um, my hope is that this series reaches more men and [00:02:00] also it's for everyone, every human deserves to heal. And what we talk about in these episodes are universal concepts, that impact humans period. And it's my hope that hearing from men opens up other men to healing or feeling less alone, growing, transforming, having an impact.
Casey Berglund: You know, living in alignment. My family recently lost a family member, our uncle John. So this episode we're dedicating to him and my brother, Blake, who you'll hear from very shortly, um, was very close with our uncle John. We all were, but he lived nearby and. It was with our uncle when he passed. And so there's themes that are woven throughout this episode, um, around grief and change, and also like gratitude and blessings and magic and mystery and [00:03:00] spirituality and presence and spaces between.
Casey Berglund: So I. Trust that when you drop in and trust me, you will drop in right into the middle of our conversation, that you will receive exactly what you came here for. So I'm not going to spend any more time. Um, do listen all the way to the end. At the end, I share a message that was transmitted by our uncle, John, to one of Blake's buddies, Mitch and Mitch synchronistically.
Casey Berglund: Found this letter recently, you know, a couple of days after the passing of our uncle. And there are some wise words for all of us right now, all of us who want to live big lives and play big and make the most out of this one precious life. So tune in, I can't wait to hear what lands for you and, uh, welcome to our conversation.
Casey Berglund: I'm so glad that you get to meet my brother Blake.[00:04:00]
Blake Berglund: you know, it's almost a Matra, it's become almost a mantra, but I think there's something, um, something healing about stumbling. Like there's something healing about the vulnerability of stumbling through ideas and stumbling through feelings and stumbling through relationships and an expectation that they're supposed to be succinct are supposed to be whole is a pretty big expectation.
Blake Berglund: I think the best of us can stop. And that be the course of action that needs to take place. Like that's the initial initial move into areas of discomfort and an initial move into areas of immaturity. So I always send a preface my thoughts with the idea that I shall stumble through the, the ideas through the feelings.
Casey Berglund: I love this. Um, yeah, I'm curious how that's happening, right. You know, like, like I hear you say that as almost a [00:05:00] disclaimer for this recording for this podcast, I'm going to stumble, love it. Uh, but it sounds like it's like a bigger philosophy for life right now.
Blake Berglund: Um, I think like I'm willing to be uncomfortable. And that's been a theme, you know, in the us, we're kind of, I guess, for fallen, jumping with both feet into this, but like that's been a theme for 10 years is like the progress into being willing to be uncomfortable and feeling discomfort. And in that discomfort is like, that's the stumble.
Blake Berglund: That's, what you'd try to have to get on the other side of it. And for different people, it's different tactics to get on the other side, for me, it's putting the ideas out there and for I'm talking. You know, we'll get to this in this chat. And I, it's a very emotional period in both of our lives right now.
Blake Berglund: Um, and I guess we can lead into that whenever, but the speaking through the emotion is transformative holding the space for the tightness in your [00:06:00] throat and holding the space for the pain in your sinuses and the weird physical attributions to grief. And allowing there to be allowing the flow to happen.
Blake Berglund: However, that flow is supposed to manifest is transformation. And I guess that's part of the beauty that I'm finding in this period right now, but we can move forward. We can, you can, you can guide me into that part of the.
Casey Berglund: Well, I'm just feeling. Grateful in how you just spoke about stumbling through discomfort in terms of uncomfortable sensations in your body. And it reminded me of when I was in Saskatchewan for that month, that I was there last summer, after you had your beautiful baby and we hit record on a. Quote podcast that never got published.
Casey Berglund: I don't think.
Blake Berglund: Oh,
Casey Berglund: you were asking me questions about like body wisdom and kind of like, and good [00:07:00] questions that most people ask. Like, what the hell is that? Like, where do you feel that? And, and just hearing you talk about stumbling through that
Blake Berglund: Hmm.
Casey Berglund: in your chest and the tension in your sinuses, those examples, I just had this flashback to our previous conversation about like what it means to be with discomfort in the body.
Blake Berglund: Well, yeah, that's experience kind of delivers you tools for your toolbox. And that quick conversation was a tool in the toolbox for when the opportunity, for lack of better words comes up to access that tool. It makes sense to you, like. I had trouble understanding what you've been talking about for with just the D I shouldn't say that, I should say how, how to decode the physical sensations.
Blake Berglund: I don't have the experience to really understand the decoding of the physical sensations when you quote unquote, let your body lead. [00:08:00] Um, but even just that conversation and your attempt to, you know, With me on your philosophy behind it was a little tool in the toolbox. So when I feel a physical sensation, I can think it with that filter
Casey Berglund: Hm.
Blake Berglund: with that tool and feel like, oh, okay, well, that's the physical sensations of grief.
Blake Berglund: I haven't felt anxiety. I haven't, it's almost relieved me of depression or anxiety. Like that's the, I don't wanna say irony, but that's been part of the by-product of this period is like, you know, it puts things into focus. Um, and to jump back to the physicalities of it, very apparent you can't ignore the physicalities of grief.
Blake Berglund: Like they're, they're they're.
Casey Berglund: Yeah.
Blake Berglund: You know, it's, it's speaking through the heat. You ever, like when you, well, up with emotion, there's a really profound heat that you feel in your eyes and in [00:09:00] your, the back of your nose and in your throat. And that's what, what transforms things like fire, like heat, right? And that's, that's the feeling that I have in those moments where I'm trying to speak through grief or speak through, um, a knot in my throat.
Blake Berglund: Um, and that's just, yeah. And that's all I have to say about that.
Casey Berglund: Yeah. Uh, dear listener, my brother Blake, we recently lost a family member. Um, and yeah, there's grief that's felt, so there's some context there and I'm sensing for you brother that this grief, um, Ooh, I'm feeling it here. It is. I haven't, I haven't felt, um, I haven't felt much of a release of emotion.
Blake Berglund: Yeah.
Casey Berglund: Like you have, like you have for days I've felt mostly a peacefulness with [00:10:00] this loss, a sense of connection to. Um, our uncle's spirit in a really profound, beautiful way without the feelings of what I would call grief. Um, and without a lot of emotional release and a wave just kind of came and passed in that moment.
Casey Berglund: Um, you've been feeling it differently than I, you know, I, I guess I'm you feel the grief of that loss More am I right about that? Like it's transforming you through it.
Blake Berglund: Yeah. I mean, we're on day five, so it's very fresh and I'm, um, I definitely have used the word grief because it's the only word I know that's been given to a period following something like this, and you have people reach out and say, Offer condolences and are very, um, um, how you can see how people's relationship [00:11:00] to their idea of death comes through and how they offer condolences or how they connect with you on the loss.
Blake Berglund: And I mean, You know, I, I always kind of have a curious mind going at all times. And truthfully that's, what's been a real, real help for me in this period is the curiosity and the experience, and we can dig into the experience of it. Um, but I've had people be like, oh, this sucks, man. That's really sucks.
Blake Berglund: And I understand the sentiment, but I haven't also in all the, in the deep sobbing that really. I told my wife this last night, it's actually more akin to gratitude than,
Casey Berglund: Yeah.
Blake Berglund: than, suffering. is more, it's more, the sobbing and crying is more an extension of gratitude than it is to suffering by far.
Blake Berglund: Right. So that's this, that's this version of grief. That's this relationship? Um, Yeah, I was, I was moving through [00:12:00] that again, stumbling through that idea, but it stay it's five days and I was, yeah. And a lot has transformed in the last five days of my life. Five days, 10 days before my hold. Am I going to be 39th birthday
Casey Berglund: 39. Oh, we love the threes and the nines.
Blake Berglund: Yeah, I've been saying I'm 40 for like three years. I've been, so, yeah, I think I'm about 40 years old. No, I'm not. I'm almost 39 this year.
Casey Berglund: Yeah, yeah. Say more. What's been transforming. How are You letting your, how are you letting your heart break? You open to something different
Casey Berglund: change transformation.
Blake Berglund: I. We have been working at myself emotionally and spiritually moving into this. Maybe that's the advantage that I have in the [00:13:00] understanding or of understanding or accepting the lack of understanding, accepting the unknown. We use Hugh here through other people's connection to, to death. Um, Their belief system, which is beautiful, right?
Blake Berglund: Like, like, and even the belief system between my aunt and I right now in this time, we're connecting on many, we're connecting on many metaphors and there's beauty in that. And I am, I'm really welcoming that and falling into that as a means to connect to other people's experiences. But I have to call the metaphors because what I feel is just an acceptance of.
Blake Berglund: The unknown and not needing to know because of the proof and because of the, for lack of better words, paranormal experience of it, all that I've had in the last five days, I've been, you have a glimpse. I don't know. I it's my first experience with, um, [00:14:00] being with someone as the crossover or yeah. Or being with someone as they pass.
Blake Berglund: And it is.
Blake Berglund: Following that there's magic, like there's messaging, right? Like, can you got it? I feel I've been,
Blake Berglund: I've been on a, on an emotional and a spiritual effort in the last few years. And that has been a nice, um, foundation to approach this
Blake Berglund: with
Casey Berglund: yeah,
Blake Berglund: approaching.
Casey Berglund: I want to be mindful not to, um, not to rush past this now moment. And also drawn to.
Blake Berglund: What does that mean?
Casey Berglund: Well, I just mean this moment, we're talking about grief. We're talking about a lost, loved one that happened five days ago, and we're talking about transformation that's happening in this moment and emotional, spiritual development that's happening from this [00:15:00] Like the last five days, this now moment. And you're also speaking about I'm hearing from you a reverence for. A personal transformation that you have, or, or many, maybe many personal transformations that you've been through that have prepared you for this now moment, this moment in time. And so, um, I'm curious about that.
Casey Berglund: I'm curious about, you know, you're my brother and obviously I witnessed shifts and changes and transformations in you. I'm curious where that started for you, because like I've watched you change many times and I feel like it's been, you talked about the last decade, so certainly the last decade, and I guess I've witnessed in the last five years.
Casey Berglund: And then in the last couple of years with the COVID-19 pandemic completely like annihilating your industry in many ways as a musician, like there's just so many layers of change. And I feel like it's. [00:16:00] Helpful to hear people's stories of transformation. Um, and given that you spoke of the many transformations leading up to this way of approaching.
Casey Berglund: deaths, it has more magic and gratitude in it, then Maybe. it would have in the past.
Casey Berglund: Like, that's interesting to me, I want to hear more about that.
Blake Berglund: Maybe.
Casey Berglund: where to go.
Blake Berglund: Yeah, fair enough. I know you you're, you touched on a lot that is all happening in this moment because that's what this moment is, is like a rush of flow, a rush of insight, or a rush of emotion, a rush of, um, I keep wanting to say a rush, my understanding, but it's a rush. Letting go to understand and to jump to the end of the, but my point being is like, it's all these little things that happen along the way.
Blake Berglund: You are always given the opportunity to react. And when you [00:17:00] answer a situation with letting go with trust with a more trusting sense of. needing to know outcome and it takes a long time to get are not there yet. Like of course there's many things happened in my life where I want to control the outcome.
Blake Berglund: And I think that I I'm in control of the outcome and to a certain extent I am. Um, but when you live where you lean into trust and you are for poor lock, I love the word faith, but you lean into a faith and that word can be described differently in all different contexts, but you mean into whatever that means to you.
Blake Berglund: It, it is life. It is, it is the point. It is. I talk about these transformations that are leading up to this full. This is a transformation, all the transformations lead through this and lead. And our aunt is asking me like [00:18:00] how we're going to be. Okay. On the other side of this. And I was quick to tell her there's no other side of.
Blake Berglund: This is, this is the transformation that is forever. And, you know, I said as a day gone by where you haven't thought of your father, my grandfather, and there just hasn't the relationship without loss. When I was 13 years old. So 20 some years ago hasn't left my body.
Casey Berglund: Yeah.
Blake Berglund: It has it hasn't left me and the loss of father Banga, who was a profound, spiritual guide in yours and my life.
Blake Berglund: Uh, and I love to dig into other Banga in this talk, but with loss and had a heart attack in India, he put all his money that he made. That he made from being a priest into this vision of a school in India. And he was there building it he died of a heart attack. And I'm glad when I say it and I don't [00:19:00] need to know if it's true, but what I was told as they put them in the ground and, and it's, and his humility that he lived with it is just so fitting and so peaceful and beautiful.
Blake Berglund: That is. The destiny of him as a cardboard box, him
Casey Berglund: Um,
Blake Berglund: he managed the vessel gets to rest there. So,
Casey Berglund: can I tell you a story that connects with father Benga
Blake Berglund: absolutely.
Casey Berglund: and, and connects with a sort of face in the mystery and maybe self-trust, I don't know, let me just stumble through it. Um, you know, when I drove across the country and taught workshops in a bunch of different cities,
Blake Berglund: Absolutely.
Casey Berglund: I, um, I was in Montreal and I went out with a dear friend of mine the night before from Calgary.
Casey Berglund: She and her husband happened to be in Montreal at the same time. And we just like had kind of a wild night. And the next [00:20:00] day I was out on a, like, Alone walk by the water. And I looked up and saw this massive building and it didn't clue in right away, but it had like the gargoyles on it. It was a cathedral and I didn't realize it was a cathedral and I like looked up at it and it immediately brought me to tears.
Casey Berglund: I just kept seeing it. And it, as if it had a voice, it just like called me towards. So I went towards it and, um, And I was like, oh, this is a cathedral. This is a Catholic cathedral. And I hadn't gone to church. I hadn't gone to church since, since honestly. And I don't know if you know this story, Blake, but since honestly, being in Italy at the Vatican and Rome and doing confession with the high priest at the Vatican and feeling like really shamed and it kind of turned me off of.
Casey Berglund: Going to church and we grew up Catholic and, you know, and, and layered into this. I've also explored yoga and Eastern [00:21:00] philosophy and found spirituality in so many different spaces in places. So here I am in Montreal being called in by the Notre Dame cathedral. And I walk up to the like, you know, there's such beautiful buildings, these cathedrals, and I walk up and in and around.
Casey Berglund: And I'm like in all of the stained glass and I. Feel father Banga. feel his spirit. I feel this like deep connection to him. And I sit down in a pew and I just it's like profound. And this was like a big part of our life for the listener, a big part of our life growing up. Like he embodied spirit of what I think, you know, religion should, should be sands politics and dogma and. And I felt him there and cried and cried and, then it was this poll to go to mass and there just happened to be an English mass, like 30 minutes late. [00:22:00] And so I'd left and come back and sat down in a pew and the mass began and the priest came up and, and I just recall, so clearly the, the words out of his mouth were like, we were born sinners and my body just contracted.
Casey Berglund: It was like, my body was like, no, that's not the same feeling that I just had, you know? And. it just, it was like this moment of, of feeling the spirit of father Banga and feeling what for me anyway, spirituality is this like essence of deep unconditional love, like which drives me. And I'm connected to that.
Casey Berglund: It's what drives everything that I do is creating more, love, creating more unconditional love in the world, more oneness rather than separation. I felt connected to the energy of that. And then I felt disconnected from the. Message being shared and. It's just, it was just such a reminder of my sort of spiritual transformational journey into having a direct access [00:23:00] to God, the universe source, whatever, and, and connecting to my own, body's wisdom of what feels to be true.
Casey Berglund: And to me, in moments of grief, in moments of big transition and, and honestly, like thinking about grief in the context, not of, of like the loss. Human being who dies, but like even an identity desk, when you go through a huge shift or change. And it's like that person who I thought I was, is that even even me or who am I really like those questions?
Casey Berglund: I think the feeling around it mimic the same as when you lose a person when someone dies and, um, just connecting how. How for me this direct access to a version of God or source of the universe or life or energy and being subtly attuned to that. And it being a dialogue or [00:24:00] reciprocity, which later in life, like not so much going to church on Sundays, growing up saying my prayers, but more so later in life, that that to me is part of what I lean into. That allows for trust in surrendering when life changes in an instant or someone dies, or there's an exploration of like, who the hell am I now? And what am I here to do?
Blake Berglund: it's um,
Blake Berglund: well, it's the two it's have it's okay. It's having, it's having that tool in the toolbox. You get to choose what you lean on and when you lean on it and how it gets you through, like you said so much there, that I was like, just jotting down ideas, ideas, but, you know, um, Tension. You talked about attention in the church, in a belief system and what you take from it and what it imposes on you.
Blake Berglund: And, and obviously the new wants of the pain and suffering that that Institute is imposed on people. [00:25:00] I think that the Catholic church is a crowbar and it can be used for Hertz and it can also be used to crack open and show beauty and
Casey Berglund: been both for me.
Blake Berglund: of course.
Casey Berglund: both.
Blake Berglund: Yeah. And then, you know, that's tension, right. And to, to bring it back to sort of like for your listeners, like my full-time job is I'm a song writer.
Blake Berglund: I guess I, I write songs and I get on stage and I try and make them connect to as many people that'll pay for the ticket. And part of the show, part of the approach to being on stage tension is such a powerful. Powerful. Um, don't want to say tactic, but when you have tension, it's the opportunity for release.
Casey Berglund: Oh,
Blake Berglund: when and what, and how can that release be interpreted and what is that release? What is the version of that tension and what are the story of that release and what are the lessons in that release? So feeling tension, sitting in a queue and listening to a mass a very good. It's a [00:26:00] very good thing.
Blake Berglund: Then you're not a blind follower of things that do make sense and the truths that do come within that Institute. And you're also available to hold it accountable and to the fire because we, for lack of better words, we, as Roman, we, as Catholics have been raised, Catholics are kind of the only ones that maybe can do it.
Blake Berglund: Then it is fact most effective from
Casey Berglund: We can do what.
Blake Berglund: hold the. Hold the hold the church accountable. That's a pretty broad sweeping statement, but in our own, in our own belief systems is what I mean, like what, and I know the next person will say, well, this is denying the essence of what it means to be a faith or a. Certain religious sect, but I, I pull from all of them.
Blake Berglund: I mean, I, I, I was baptized Catholic. I was so close to being baptized, uh, evangelical in Nashville on a, on [00:27:00] a, uh, on a, I don't want to call it a whim because I was drawn in to that church that day, that afternoon. And they, the energy was, I mean, I was the second, there were two white folks in that church and I was one of them and it was, uh, it was a good time.
Blake Berglund: It was
Casey Berglund: I bet the music was amazing too.
Blake Berglund: The energy, the energy and the flow and the personalization of the service to me specifically, and the calm, the, the and the wit and the humor that was used. It was a real awesome experience. And then, you know, they, they, the chair came up at the front and they, and came up, they're giving baptisms.
Blake Berglund: Um, this is that moment for me. I'm going to be put to be baptized again. And then my, I was married Lutheran and my son is baptized Lutheran. we are our home. Is this collection of,
Casey Berglund: um,
Blake Berglund: um,
Casey Berglund: and your son has three [00:28:00] godmothers who all
Casey Berglund: have different spiritual traditions.
Blake Berglund: yeah, which is a Catholic, a Catholic tradition. The godmother is a cob, which, you know, to my aunt who lost her husband, my uncle, he, she is my godmother.
Blake Berglund: That's the connection between her and I right now in this grief is that one spiritual, designation from our family. And a relationship that I have to grow with and through, and, and ultimately a spiritual relationship I grow alongside. And it's something that, you know, her and I are going through different versions of it together.
Blake Berglund: But nonetheless, my son has, instead of, you know, a godparent. Yeah. He has three godmothers and I just love that. So you and our sister and our sister-in-law or my son's godmothers, the Catholic tradition in the Lutheran faith. So, you know
Casey Berglund: yeah. Yeah. I mean, I make the joke [00:29:00] sometimes that I'm polyamorous with the gods that I love them all. Give me, Jesus, give me the Buddha, give.
Casey Berglund: me the Hindu goddesses and get like, just let me lean in to all the spiritual archetypes and energies. And it's all one anyway.
Blake Berglund: Yeah. It's funny. When minutes ago you spoke of identity loss and identity transformation and just another backstory, but how synchronistic is that? I, for the last few months I had a false, um, someone took somehow. My personal information and took out line of credit in the bank, in another city and accessed almost half of it.
Blake Berglund: and my, I found it because address was changed on my credit report. And I started doing my investigations and it popped up that I had a loan for $40,000 in another province and I did not, and my identity was stolen. So there's this process right now of reclaiming. Literally reclaiming my [00:30:00] identity.
Casey Berglund: And the, I don't mean to interrupt your brother, but I'm just like May 3rd, three 30, 3:00 PM. Keep talking about your identity, reclaiming your identity.
Blake Berglund: Yeah, I know it's I know it's three, the 3, 3, 3, like we could we'll get into that, but I'm literally, it was almost like these little notions of work that needed to be done and was riddle and was metaphor and was a cosmic humor. sort of being laid out to guide you, to force you into, uh, into your next steps.
Blake Berglund: Right. To force
Casey Berglund: Yeah.
Blake Berglund: into my, into the next steps or whoever it may be. If you, if you
Casey Berglund: Yeah.
Blake Berglund: you're given though you're given that guidance. Right.
Casey Berglund: yeah,
Blake Berglund: I just could not get to the bottom of like, why does this have to happen to me right now? Why am I trying to, and then I was pissed right off because my name is I'm just so connected to.
Blake Berglund: My own journey [00:31:00] and what I've made of my own name and, and what I believe I stand for. So for someone else to just take it without the identity behind it, I, I was offended by, I was very offended by that, and maybe that's my ego speaking, but I was very offended that someone just thought that they could walk in somewhere
Casey Berglund: and steal your identity. Like who the hell do you think you are?
Blake Berglund: was like, wooo. Yeah. So I was, so that was a driving force in the reclamation of it all. And then like what happened today? But it's not the, I received the letter from the credit agency that the investigation has been closed in my favor
Casey Berglund: Hmm.
Blake Berglund: So the closure of this whole identity literal identity reclamation happened before this.
Blake Berglund: You know, in this, this perfect moment of self and the, so the
Casey Berglund: Uh,
Blake Berglund: I'm living in a matrix of [00:32:00] and kismet. And is that the right word? And I don't, it's not death. Destiny's a wooey word. I don't like that word at all, but it's just, just a matrix of synchronicities where it's just like, oh, the veil is.
Blake Berglund: Completely lifted. You know, the initiation is happening in real time and the veil is lifted in, in celebration of this initiation happening, but you know, it will be closed again. And it's your choice to continue to pursue the, uh, the, the relationship with that.
Casey Berglund: Be a little bit more specific maybe like, or an example, like, I guess what I'm hearing you say is. You literally had your identity stolen someone opened up a bank account
Blake Berglund: Yeah,
Blake Berglund: that yes, that happened.
Casey Berglund: is metaphor as you're exploring your own identity. Like, who am I now? And what am I here for now? [00:33:00] And then it's closing today that that case is closed.
Casey Berglund: And yet here we are. And I guess I'm curious about maybe the nuances of. The identity shift, like what, what, what has that been like for you? Or how has it now continuing to shift?
Blake Berglund: Well, the experience is all synchronicity, so beautiful. And you can, you can't properly. Um, you can't properly describe the feelings. So. Understands the experience. It has to be something that only you experienced in real time. And if I imagine many of your listeners have experienced synchronicities or understand what that idea is, but it's just such a meaningful coincidence that is so profound.
Blake Berglund: It is beyond, beyond rationale, right? And then my, and then, you know, symbolism comes into play and my heart has been opened in, in, uh, in a childlike fashion to this [00:34:00] world for years. So is the muscle of understanding it a little stronger with me or is it just come as profound as it needs to come? Like, I, I don't, I can't answer that, but my experience right now is one of symbols and symbolism and.
Blake Berglund: And just very meaningful, meaningful coincidences that are just too like my best friend, our, you, my relationship with my friend, Mitch, who's so close to our family. I let him know of uncle John's death and it struck him, um, very hard because he's always been, he's been affected by uncle John's presence.
Blake Berglund: So I tell Michi that uncle John has passed away and he's, he's really, really moved by it. And he's, he goes into a sort of, uh, his own version of grief. In two days later, he sends me a message that says, Like, like basically what are the chances kind of thing? Like it's too profound of a [00:35:00] coincidence, but he was looking, he was looking for a piece of musical gear in his house, digging around in a back corner that, you know, and he pulled out an all, found an envelope with some pictures in it and a folded up piece of.
Blake Berglund: And he pulled it out and he opened up the piece of paper last. And it was a letter from our uncle, John, who has only written Mitch one letter. But that was the letter. And we, I don't, I never asked when or why or how he got it, but it was, it was, Hey Mitch, don't forget the ABC's of life. And then it went through the alphabet with just a little bit of insight into how to a greater like, approach to life right now.
Blake Berglund: Like here's a little, here's a thought for every letter of the alphabet that, you know, You should lean into right now in like, how is that coincidence?
Blake Berglund: You know,
Casey Berglund: and then, and You were, you know,
Casey Berglund: at that moment, you and I were texting and you're cleaning out John's like hundreds or thousands of books and looking at the record of what [00:36:00] 700 paintings before 2008, that he's done, like just going through his stuff and texts you about this letter and you send it to me and I read it and it.
Casey Berglund: Perfectly aligned with the wisdom I need in my life right now, around bigger and expanding into my purpose on this planet and like living it, doing it, the world needs us. All right. Now I just felt like this whoosh of like, you got this case,
Blake Berglund: Yeah. Yeah.
Casey Berglund: wild.
Blake Berglund: And I, I mean, we, you have. Picture of the notes. So, I mean, if you put that up on your channels, I think it's it just furthers this point of the, the, the paranormal experience of it all. And I I've been using that word a lot too, because it's the only word I have in my vocabulary to properly express some of the experiences.
Blake Berglund: And they're not. To the furthest thing from scary, but they are paranormal they're outside of this reality that we are conditioned to the outside of this reality of [00:37:00] quote unquote normal there, beyond that,
Blake Berglund: um, there, but which is our norm. That is the spiritual world is our
Blake Berglund: reality. It's our it's our reality is the spiritual world.
Casey Berglund: Yeah.
Blake Berglund: Um, but to give, regardless of what you think, you know, or how you know, or what you believe or how deep you believe, there's always a version of having the veil lifted, where you see something that can rock you. Like you've never imagined.
Casey Berglund: Yeah.
Casey Berglund: Speaking of synchronicity, um, a couple of weeks ago. So going through my own transition. As many of you are. And for me it has been. Big shifts in my physical space. And so I like got rid of some furniture, sold it, painted my ceiling and walls. And I was looking on Kijiji for a desk, a new desk, and I went and
Blake Berglund: Yeah.
Casey Berglund: this desk.
Casey Berglund: Um, And gotten a conversation with the guy who [00:38:00] owned the desk prior to me. And of course he asked what I do. And I said, you know, my work's at the intersection of purpose, embodiment, and entrepreneurship. And I help people after they've been rocked. Find. Clear sense of who they are and what they're here for next.
Casey Berglund: And I just shared that with him. And of course he like resonated with, it was just, you know, got out of our relationship after being engaged. And we got this, we went into this beautiful, like little heart to heart, little like tiny little heart. And then today, um, someone showed up on my calendar. You can book a call with me if you want to chat about working together, want some guidance around this transition in your life and this beautiful, uh, man who I had never, I didn't recognize his name.
Casey Berglund: His name popped up and I got on a call with him. And, um, he didn't know that I've been speaking to men behind the scenes. He's not part of my email list. He's not, he doesn't know I'm doing a series for men. That's like. That you're a part of Blake, you know, [00:39:00] and he's telling me about this awakening that he's going through and he's like, Yeah.
Casey Berglund: you bought a desk from a buddy of mine.
Casey Berglund: And It's like, wow. Wow.
Blake Berglund: Yeah.
Casey Berglund: telling me a story that is perfectly aligned with the messaging that I'm offering to my email list, with the and people in my community are asking, he hasn't heard or read any of that. And yet here he is because of this little interaction. And, know, like my understanding just like studying consciousness is that at higher levels of consciousness, that is the norm.
Casey Berglund: That is the reality. Synchronicity is real. It's more real than
Blake Berglund: it's more than real than real.
Casey Berglund: fear.
Blake Berglund: Yeah.
Casey Berglund: than being in fear or being angry or fighting each other. It's, it's the truth of what is when we when we heal our trauma, this is life. Unfolding flow in natural gifts, letting life take you in a way that's easy.
Casey Berglund: You don't have to push [00:40:00] through anything. This is real
Blake Berglund: Yeah.
Casey Berglund: and we get to
Blake Berglund: Yeah. I like like, uh, yeah, like through a road, like a driving metaphor, right? Like there's signs on a road. And if you need to get from me to be in there aren't any signs he might get for me to beat.
Casey Berglund: Yeah.
Blake Berglund: If you were given guidance along the way, you're going to follow those signs and you are going to move to be in the path of least resistance.
Casey Berglund: How do you receive the guidance brother? You know, like, cause I think everybody's getting guided always and we don't always listen or look or see, or, you know, how does that work for you?
Blake Berglund: Uh, I was actually, it's funny that we're of all people. I was talking about this with mom this morning. Um, we were just talking about the, again, so for, for Easter, my aunt, you know, what was Easter? A couple of weeks ago, she got myself. A little fuzzy bunny and it was a little fuzzy, cute. It looked real, it looks like a real little bunny in it, super soft.
Blake Berglund: And she gave it to him as [00:41:00] a gift and, you know, he cuddled up to it and we put it on the shelf and it comes down or whatnot, but we sort of have it with his other different stuffed animal gifts that he's been given. And our uncle said to our aunt, whoa, I want a bunny. I would like a bunny like that. I really liked that bunny.
Blake Berglund: And like what kind of. It's a quick, it's a quick judgment. It's quick to judge a man that wants a little bunny, right? Um, uh, 8 86 86. Yeah. I believe. Yeah. 86 year old man that wants a bunny, just like his 10 month old nephew got for Easter. That's he wants restraints. So Gene's like, okay, I'll get you this bunny.
Blake Berglund: Right? Like, so she goes back out and she buys him this identity. Little bunny and gives it to him. And he's over the moon, like over the moon for Easter that he got at this bunny that matches my little boy's bunny. And he said, sit down and he passes away and it sits on his chair.
Casey Berglund: Yeah.
Blake Berglund: [00:42:00] And you walk in the room and there's this little bunny that my little boy has and you walk outside and there are rabbits everywhere there, you know, in Regina right now.
Blake Berglund: And people that live in Regina know that when the rabbits come out, they're just like everywhere. All good. John passes. He gets this bunny. He was a very, it was a slow moving man, right? Like he had a frail body and he was a wild, beautiful mind and a frail body. And he was house locked for three years and broken bones and broken hip and broken shoulder and broken.
Blake Berglund: Just beat up, beat up, man. This is his third heart attack. It's is it's. So just the symbolism of the rabbit right now, you know, and, and his little body that matches my son sitting there and the rabbits in the world. So you kind of, are you, whether there's a coincidence, let's just say there's no such thing as synchronicity and there's no such thing as some cosmic coincidence.
Blake Berglund: Let's just call it as [00:43:00] that is, you know, it works, it works for a sense of peace. And as far as. When you say, how do you know, how do you recognize these signs? I think that you can prescribe them. I, you know, this is my wild idea is like I prescribed the 3d three, three, uh, you go to my social media accounts and I'm just, you know, even, I don't know what that means, but I'm continuing to move through this.
Blake Berglund: Um, symbolism and this meaningful coincidence and this connection to my career. And I'll meet people in this, in the grocery store and they'll be like, holy shit, dude. Like they look at their watch and they ran into me at 3, 3, 3, 3 o'clock in the, after three 30 in the afternoon. And the more you it's like a muscle, I really believe spirituality is like a muscle.
Blake Berglund: And the more you lean into. Um, prescriptions that you allow to be a conduit to maybe some type of unknown coincidence or [00:44:00] unknown connection, even a belief that you want to believe, and you don't believe, but you prescribing when it pops up by coincidence, you can like immediately drop into the moment to be like, what was the thought that was in my head in this thought?
Blake Berglund: And if you can recall that momentary thought, then it's again, exercising that muscle to act on that.
Casey Berglund: Yeah. It's like a pattern interrupt.
Blake Berglund: It's a little, well, it's like a pattern enhancer actually. So you see the,
Casey Berglund: both.
Blake Berglund: Yeah. Right. definitely interrupts the pattern, whatever was happening, that you were just so passive in the experience.
Blake Berglund: When you see that symbol, are given the opportunity to immediately walk into the moment, be like, what was this thought? What was my thought? And sit with that. It doesn't have to be a crazy answer. It could just be random as the day is long. It doesn't matter, but it's an opportunity to act on it. And what you find is, as you begin to recognize and act in harmony with each other, you find it's, uh, if you find [00:45:00] more, more opportunities to act and receive, and it's just so cumulative and it's infinite, and it's working your working your sense of self working, our identity, working your spirit, your connection to whatever, whatever spiritual connection you have at whatever point you are at in your journey, you know, So that's me in the 3 33, like I just put that out there as a manifestation, a symbol in
Blake Berglund: it, you know, it, I know
Casey Berglund: was May 3rd, 3 33,
Blake Berglund: talking about my identity,
Casey Berglund: story,
Blake Berglund: but
Casey Berglund: identity.
Blake Berglund: yeah.
Blake Berglund: Yeah. So.
Casey Berglund: You were saying that, um, you started the story with the rabbits. When you, you were saying talk, you were talking to mom this morning. Was that the, you were talking
Blake Berglund: 3 33,
Blake Berglund: you know, 3 33. I dunno something. She brought something up about, she brought something up about it and you know, mom, she, I don't know. I didn't know. She needed the skinny on the 3 33, but she was like, [00:46:00] she brought it up and we got chatting about it and it was, it was just a nice conversation.
Casey Berglund: There's something that to me is meaningful in your bunny story about, you know,
Blake Berglund: We're having, um,
Casey Berglund: Oh,
Blake Berglund: or
Casey Berglund: oh, we had
Blake Berglund: freezing the little glitch. Repeat what you said.
Casey Berglund: Um, when you were talking about the bunny story about like your son, who's not even one. And our uncle wanting the same bunny to me. That means something to me, you know,
Blake Berglund: Yeah.
Casey Berglund: about the purity of a baby and of someone who's about to pass.
Casey Berglund: Like there's, to me, there's like a, a light soul there. There's an enlightened soul there.
Blake Berglund: Yeah.
Casey Berglund: when I think about the. Uh, really like beautiful spiritual teachers that I've had the pleasure of from and growing from like my, my teacher in India, he, he just has this like light, [00:47:00] childlike presence, you know, it's like, it's childlike, it's joyful.
Casey Berglund: And I just, I think that's kind of beautiful that there's this mimicking of use in. Elderly like in pre deaths, like it's like the death and rebirth thing.
Blake Berglund: well it's, uh, I had that even jotted down, like the parallels in my life right now. I experienced the birth of my son and I experienced the death of, uh, uh, archetypally a fatherly figure. And I told mom, it's like, they're two different doors, but there you get to peek inside the same building and the parallels in, and the biggest one was like,
Blake Berglund: That though, that transformative moment where I experienced my uncle's physical transformation, um, [00:48:00] prior to his passing and it is one of it's it's paranormal, there was a, it was a digression in age. It was apparent. It was, and maybe it was just my own mind playing tricks on me, right. In a moment of fast coming grief.
Blake Berglund: And it was a flow of hair and it was. The blemishes gone from a face and it was a light, it was a glow and he was unresponsive for hours and opened his eyes and he looked aunt and I, and it was the same look as a newborn. It was the same. It was the same eyes as a child. It was the same eyes as an N.
Blake Berglund: Is that innocent is and peaceful gays. And see it was, yeah, the parallels like this is content for a podcast, but
Casey Berglund: Yeah, but
Casey Berglund: no it's.
Blake Berglund: are, is my, my, in my son in the past thing of my uncle are just like, you get to peek inside the peek, inside the architecture [00:49:00] from different angles and experience that architecture, that, that art.
Casey Berglund: Yeah. How does that change? How you choose to live this present life? You know, like how does that those experiences? Like what. What has integrated, like, is there a, is there a conscious choice to do something different or something that helps your own self discovery or meaning-making or what matters in life?
Casey Berglund: You know what I mean? Like these moments are profound when they, when there's like a peak that you talk about, it's like a peek into a
Blake Berglund: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I, I, um, what's um, to not, what I'm feeling right now is to not rush it, you know, you want to be on the other, like our aunt said is when is this, are we going to be better on the other side of this? And to know that there's no other side of grief to be learning that, um, [00:50:00] you want to actually slow it down.
Blake Berglund: Not speed it up or get through it. You want to, you want to slow the feelings down. You want to sit in the sit in those feelings. So that's one thing that has been actually. I don't want to call it a life hack, but like the, the beauty and the blessing and the positivity of this hurtful experience comes when I'm willing to slow it as slow as possible and not finding the other side of it, but sit in whatever activity I'm doing and just, let the faucet run from the heart.
Blake Berglund: Like, just let it
Casey Berglund: yeah.
Blake Berglund: degree for emotion manifests. Let it be that and let it pass and breathe. And then like, if I can do this. I've never done that before. And if I can con if this is the little piece of insight that I can do moving forward, that's just one little nugget of information. One little road sign to move to the path of least resistance to whatever the end goal is or whatever the, to do [00:51:00] when I'm in that position.
Casey Berglund: Yeah, well, and, and it's not going to be the only time that you feel grief.
Casey Berglund: So it's like there's wisdom in this moment of grief for you that will, you said something about it. This brings back the loss of grandpa, Louie, you know, like that's been in you, it's like, it's like this moment carries with it other moments and will draw forward into your future.
Casey Berglund: A wisdom that comes from it that will help.
Blake Berglund: yeah, And I'm aligning the moment of grief with the, with the, it, with being present with my son, like
Casey Berglund: Yeah.
Blake Berglund: old and he lives on a floor and I don't have to live on the floor. But, um, like you said, what choices do you make? Well, now I choose to live on the floor. Now I choose, I don't have to walk around and I get to lay down beside him and be completely in that moment with whatever he's doing and just let him be.
Blake Berglund: I don't need to pick them up and do it on cue and run from here to there and put the tea, put the coffee on and just hold them [00:52:00] on my hip. What's more important than anything I can imagine to do right now
Casey Berglund: Good.
Blake Berglund: to be still in, um, all my moments, be still in the moments and. I hope that, that hope that's going to stay.
Blake Berglund: That's going to stay with me. That's not going to matter if I'm
Casey Berglund: Yeah.
Blake Berglund: used to get so pissed off in you. You're told to show up for soundcheck. You're told show up at 2:00 PM. You show up at 2:00 PM. You all will wave. You'll have your sound check done by six. So a while maybe. And then you, you just have a checkup.
Blake Berglund: What I'm talking about is get into a venue and you're told you have, and you wait around for four or five hours. What's what's the, how am I going to approach that empty space now? You know, you get. That was a bad example, but I'm just saying you get to sit with time. You get, you don't have to be, you know, you don't have.
Blake Berglund: Being patient doesn't have to be anxiety. Inducing being, being patient be a very powerful and positive experience. [00:53:00] Again, working this muscle, working the spiritual muscle. So whenever you're given where you're standing in line at a grocery store, you get to drop into the moment and live with the discomfort of everything else you have to do.
Blake Berglund: And let that discomfort equal patients
Casey Berglund: Yeah.
Blake Berglund: it's it's. Yeah,
Casey Berglund: Yeah.
Blake Berglund: my thing right now is just really being present with still and
Casey Berglund: Yeah.
Blake Berglund: time and being patient.
Casey Berglund: Yeah. And like circling this back to what you shared at the very beginning around stumbling through discomfort. I don't know anything that's more uncomfortable for humanity then, uh, the mystery, the unknown, the space between, so you're talking about lying on the floor with your son or realizing there's like four hours until your soundcheck is actually going to be.
Blake Berglund: Those were two weird examples, but yeah. Yes,
Casey Berglund: Or standing at the
Blake Berglund: Yes.
Casey Berglund: in line, like, like, I guess what, I'm, what I'm kind of collecting from what [00:54:00] you're sharing is like, life is a series of spaces between, and we can try and fill those spaces or rush through them or workaholism, or like numb those spaces between with booze and weed and whatever, or they can become a profound, spiritual moment of presence.
Blake Berglund: Yeah. Like we in our household, we always say like, you're not off the hook. You can have all the trust you want, but you're not off the hook to not do the work. You have to meet the universe halfway. if you're doing the work. You fill up 50% of your time, would that work meeting the universe halfway and you feel the other 50% of the time of the universe doing what it's supposed to do.
Blake Berglund: And you honoring that by being present with stillness and being present in the moment,
Casey Berglund: Um,
Blake Berglund: like set aside your time, like, and that's the, that's the that's the, um, distraction is such a, that's the harm of distraction. Right? And it's it's with us. So you can, I, I, I'm always distracting myself. Especially Twitter, flipping, you know, just an Instagram [00:55:00] reels.
Blake Berglund: I love that shit. I love Instagram real, so much. I don't know what the algorithm has done, but it is totally tapped into what I think is cool. And I send that to my buddies over Instagram DMS, and we just have a heck of a time watching Instagram reels. That is a distraction. Sure. It brings joy and you get to choose when you want to do that, but you also need to, that's not sitting in the moment.
Blake Berglund: That's not sitting with discomfort and still. That's that's not being patient. And I guess that's my next, that's an ongoing thing that will be we'll come out of this time is like really trying to stay on top of my patients in my processing of time. And the time spent. And you know, what also makes this whole period really, uh, wonderful is the time leading into it.
Blake Berglund: I live four blocks from. That's another piece to this puzzle is I live four blocks from them. They don't have any children. She is my godmother I spent, and he has been hosts locked for three [00:56:00] months. Um, and, and is an avid reader like his book collection is astounding. Uh, the vinyl collection is in the thousands.
Blake Berglund: Uh, the art, his art.
Casey Berglund: a gift. What a gift to you.
Blake Berglund: a gift? Well, what a gift to just experience like I have to sing, what are we going to do with all this stuff? And I'm like, well, we, we, we curated you, you go through every, and that's my healing right now is going through every book, every book opening up the cover, seeing if there's a message seeing if there's a date seen, if there's some insights, seeing what that book is seeing, if it gets to be moved out of the house quickly, it's part of the piece that is his, his living curation.
Blake Berglund: Books your final, and this isn't just a whole hum collection. It's, it's an, it's an amassed over decades and decades as his means of expressing his love of art. It's so beautiful. And what a privilege. And [00:57:00] I just keep thinking. I'm like he was here last week and I could have just been sitting, but. We did everything, but that, you know, I saw him three times a week and every conversation was in, you know, leading into it.
Blake Berglund: It was a very, uh, present relationship,
Blake Berglund: which actually makes it more peaceful and, and, and more accepting than like there's no, for lack, there's no regrets, right. There was no
Blake Berglund: regrets.
Casey Berglund: Yeah.
Blake Berglund: Yeah.
Casey Berglund: I love that brother. Thank you. I wasn't sure where this was going to take us and
Blake Berglund: I feel like we just cracked the surface, you know, you're celebrating, you're celebrating men right now. And that's, I think someone in your space and the communities that you have, I think that's really powerful. Um, I've really been proud of my masculinity and I've really leaned into what I describe my masculinity as, and it [00:58:00] is everything.
Blake Berglund: Um, my pride in the fact that I believe I'm, I like I have alpha male tendencies and, and, and the importance of that and how that can be balanced. It must be balanced with having a tender hearts and just like,
Casey Berglund: Wow.
Blake Berglund: I love that your, um, your pieces on masculinity and we just scratched the surface. So if you want to do part two,
Blake Berglund: I'm a, I'm a phone call.
Blake Berglund: Okay,
Casey Berglund: Well, it's beautiful. And there's different, different voices coming into this space. Like you're, just decided that you're going to kick off this series because you're my brother and we
Blake Berglund: thanks.
Casey Berglund: who I would love to have on too. I feel like this
Blake Berglund: And
Casey Berglund: his thing, but also it'd be a, totally different perspective.
Blake Berglund: well, and he's so grounded, right? Like he's the most grounded version. That I strive to have a routine, a family that is provided for in a routine manner. Uh, this is [00:59:00] business brilliance. I mean, we all have a really wonderful sense of business that our mother and father gave it. Like, it's, it's a wonderful dynamic for you to explore.
Blake Berglund: And you tell me if you need to, if you need me to be a co-host on it.
Casey Berglund: Yeah. You know, what I
Blake Berglund: Okay.
Casey Berglund: should do to wrap is I actually really want to read, do you think that's Okay.
Casey Berglund: Do you think Mitch would mind
Blake Berglund: Oh,
Casey Berglund: John's words?
Blake Berglund: he would be honored.
Casey Berglund: Yeah. I, uh, I'm just going to pull it up here you know what I don't know, are those uncle John's words or is it, uh, it's it's from someone else?
Casey Berglund: Wanda
Blake Berglund: Yeah. Yeah. It's from someone else, but it's in his
Blake Berglund: calligraphy,
Blake Berglund: which is it, which is wonderful. And it's, it's a really beautifully written. So it is a quote from somebody else given to Mitch, um, from our aunt and uncle in a moment that I don't know why or how you
Blake Berglund: would mail something, but
Casey Berglund: just, there's something, very special about it [01:00:00] being to Mitch Mitchy.
Blake Berglund: yeah. Oh,
Blake Berglund: for sure.
Casey Berglund: I'm so glad you were the recipient of these words.
Blake Berglund: Yeah.
Casey Berglund: it to achieve your dreams, Mitch. Remember your ABC, a negative sources, people, places, things, and habits be believe in yourself. C things from every angle D don't give up and don't give in E enjoy life. Today. Yesterday is gone and tomorrow may never come. I feel like that's Like, maybe one of the themes of our conversation so far AF.
Blake Berglund: could you not, how could you not, how could this not rock you? Finding it randomly this weekend,
Blake Berglund: right? Yeah. AF Yeah.
Casey Berglund: family and friends are hidden treasures, them and enjoy their riches. G give more than you planned to [01:01:00] give H on to your dreams. I ignore those who try to discourage. J just do it. K. Keep on trying, no matter how hard it seems it will get easier. L love yourself first and most. that. was one of my favorites. M make it happen and
Blake Berglund: I like that one make it happen,
Casey Berglund: just do it, make it happen
Blake Berglund: make it up.
Casey Berglund: and never lie, cheat or steal. Always strike a fair deal. Oh, open your eyes and see things as they really are. That's a good one to P practice makes perfect queue. Quitters never win and winners never quit. Some of these are like the most cliche little quotables, and I kind of love that about it because the cliches are true in moments like these
Blake Berglund: Yeah. Right.
Casey Berglund: are read this one's uncle John's [01:02:00] read, and learn about everything important in your life. S stop procrastinating T take control of your own destiny. You understand yourself in order to better understand others V visualize it w want it more than anything. Ex accelerate your efforts.
Blake Berglund: Yeah, that's a good one
Blake Berglund: to accelerate.
Casey Berglund: ex uh, yeah, totally. Why you are unique of all God's creations. Nothing can replace you. I love that part.
Casey Berglund: I love the part about like, thinking about each human as like a puzzle piece to this like bigger puzzle Zed or Z, if you're American zero in on your target and go for it. So it's by Wanda Carter written in uncle John's calligraphy.
Blake Berglund: Yeah. Sent to him, our buddy Mitch randomly. That's awesome.
Casey Berglund: Love it so much. Thanks. [01:03:00] brother.
Blake Berglund: Thanks for having me. Love you. Lots. Congratulations with your series.
Casey Berglund: Yeah. I love you too. Thank you. Bye.
Casey Berglund: Thank you so much for listening to this episode. Um, I always love chatting with my big bro. And so to share that with you is really special for me and for him and for us together. And as you integrate. From this call I'm. I mean, I'm curious to know what one of the ABCs stood out to you or resonated with you for this moment in time right now, and you know, Blake and I both would love to hear from you.
Casey Berglund: If there are different thoughts or feelings or stories that you feel called to share with us, you can reach blades. That is email like [email protected] You can always reach out to me, [email protected] and I'll make sure that all of our links are in the show notes below. So check them out there.
Casey Berglund: If you're in a space [01:04:00] between, or you're going through a trans transformation or feeling grief or identity death, um, you're not alone. What a magical transformative moment you're in. And, uh, I know I'm here for it. And there are many people who are here for it. If you are looking for support, please don't hesitate to reach out.
Casey Berglund: I have a couple open spots for one-on-one clients over the next six to 12 months. And then we'll be closing down those spots, um, after they fill for the next year. And, uh, and if there's any other way that I can support you, I'm here for it. I'm very well connected to people and practitioners that are. So available for supporting healing right now, and the more healing we can do and the more we can step into our unique gifts and share openly and expressively with the world, those gifts, I think the better off our planet becomes.
Casey Berglund: So if you want to join that mission, I suppose, [01:05:00] talk to me, uh, I want to hear your story take really good care and I'll chat with you in the next episode.