Navigating Transitions with Grace and Choosing Impact with Kevin Goodman [Repurposed]
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kevin. I'm so delighted to have you here.
Kevin Goodman: going? Thanks for having me.
Casey Berglund: oh, it's so nice to have you. I always love chatting with you. And, uh, I wasn't, I was inspired the last time we talked, um, by the space that you're in and the different paths that you're navigating with such grace. And I just want to, yeah, I just want to open up by asking the question, like in this moment right now, what is alive and present for you as it relates to how you're thinking about like work and life.
Kevin Goodman: That's a great question. Before I jumped into that, I do want to say again, just thank you for the opportunity to join you. I am [00:02:00] inspired by everything that you're doing, and I think it's just excellent. I've been following your journey and both inspired and proud to have you as a friend because of everything I see you accomplishing and how I know that's impacting the listeners out there.
So I went to at least start with, with that. Cause I I could go on for hours about what I think about that, but at least listen to start with
Casey Berglund: Uh, thank you, Kevin. You're very sweet.
Kevin Goodman: No
Casey Berglund: This is like, this is you in a nutshell, you know, every time we have a conversation, I'll ask you something and you're like, well, what about you? Tell me about you. And we just like, get in this conversation of celebrating each other, which I think is such a beautiful gift and like listener.
If, if you don't have people in your life that just are so intrigued by what you're up to and, and cheerlead and inspire, like, man, you're missing out. You need those people. You're one of those people for me, Kevin. So I appreciate you saying that.
Kevin Goodman: I am happy that I can, I can serve as that for you. I, I, it's a pleasure to do so.
Casey Berglund: Um,
Kevin Goodman: to digress from the question, cause I don't want to look like I'm dodging the question right out of the gate, right? [00:03:00] So, absolutely
Casey Berglund: you are, Kevin, you kind of did just Dodge the question right out of the gate.
Kevin Goodman: Don't I don't don't want to do that. Right. Don't set that tone, but I think it's a great question it's a very fitting question based on everything that's going on in my life right now. describe it as a point of transition. Awakening and realization.
Casey Berglund: Hmm.
Kevin Goodman: I think all of those really flow together.
Well, for me, and of the times, I don't, at least I'll speak for myself a lot of the times, um, know, I look back and I question why this didn't happen then, or, or why isn't this happening yet? And then I come to this realization like I am right now that everything is actually happening as it should.
Casey Berglund: Hmm.
Kevin Goodman: is just as important as the timing. sometimes you need to have a certain level of experience. You need to have some experiences behind you to really be ready massive transformational awakening that is in your, in your journey. And I feel like that's where I am right [00:04:00] now.
really just starting to see all of these pieces of my life that have been separate, but have been, uh, expressions of myself in these different arenas, starting to come together create the kind of opportunities that I can really be excited and inspired about everyday.
Casey Berglund: Wow. I love that. So you said awakening realization, I missed one transition, transition, awakening, and realization. Yeah. That that's like the space that you're in. That was one part. And I want you to share a little bit more about that, but then you also talked about like timing and realizing that everything happens as it should.
And I feel like both of those things are kind of like big concepts. So I'm curious, I'm curious if you could maybe share an example or say a little bit more about the, um, transition, awakening realization piece. How is this moment in time about that?
Kevin Goodman: Yeah.
I think, I think it's, it's about that for, for a couple of reasons. I think [00:05:00] because I set some aggressive goals in each part my life, both in my career, in my family life in my life as a, as a creative or see anybody. Who's a great as a person that impact, right? So I think about those things that often live quite separately, but rely on each other for you to be able to, to get through life.
You know, life is not particularly easy for people, no matter where you are, you're always struggling with something. A lot of that comes down to come into grips with who you are as a person and aligning that Right. Plays out in life your purpose, right? Because all of us have these deep inside of us.
We don't always know
Casey Berglund: Yeah.
Kevin Goodman: is, but we know that there's something that, often when we're, when we're at odds with that, it doesn't allow us to embrace some of the realizations that lead to awakening the ultimately then lead to So if I look at the thing that triggered that for me, I had a couple of things all coming together at the same time.
So I had [00:06:00] a massive, um, career shift that was happening, where working in a company and the job I went in to do for that company. Not being the same job that I was executing it a year later for good reason. I mean, there were great people in the company. Everybody had really good intentions, really blessed to have the experience.
But ultimately as things change within business environment, the business has to adapt to compete in the space that the company is best suited to compete in. And when that shift happens, sometimes the skillset of the people within the organization, aren't alignment. And I was the first to, um, to say, and have some good conversations with the leadership team that as directions were starting to change the may.
The best suited person into some of the roles that are necessary for that company to go forward. So I had that piece of it going on. And then at the same time, I had some unfortunate, tragic news with my grandmother passing [00:07:00] away and I live in America, but my grandmother lives in England as just the majority of my family live in England.
That's where I was born and grew up. So I had this, this point of coming together where I was separating from my career all on, on good terms, is actually freed up time for me to be more present for this event that was happening from a family standpoint, but being there for my funeral, helping to coordinate and then being on the ground.
then also I had some other things. So other projects that I was working on the side that were starting to gain some momentum. So all of these things were converging at, at, at, at the same time. it just led to a spark that actually occurred during my grandmother's funeral. So I was giving him. The eulogy for my grandmother part in part of my eulogy, baked him a, a segment where I'd had my son record a video his message.
He read a short poem and he gave me a message from my grandmother. And he was a rock star because I asked him like the [00:08:00] day before to do it. Cause it just popped up in my mind and he was like, I'm on it. And he practiced and practiced all day and then he put it together. And then my wife sent me, send me the video.
we had everything teed up. I'm giving the eulogy. Now I'm keeping it together because I, you know, I try to pride myself of being composed and relaxed and calm and trying to exude that energy. So others can do the same. But that moment when my son's face popped up, which is in the middle of the eulogy, that moment when he popped up in the video started this, I was overwhelmed by this wave of emotions and the wave of emotions. Yes, there was some sorrow and grief, but there was this joy of knowing how my grandma, how my son had this relationship with my grandmother. I have witnessed in the transition of the things that she held dear to her in terms of her traditions, the love that she had for him lots of things that she instilled in me.
And then my [00:09:00] son adopting it and basically living up to that with everything he did by doing the video. And I just got this overwhelming feeling that this is life that connectivity between people that it doesn't necessarily have to be just within a family setting or a family dynamic, dynamic. It can be friends.
It can be coworkers, you created a deep bond with, but there are these elements in life. When you look back that you say was that I was completely alive. completely aware I was completely. Connected.
Casey Berglund: Um,
Kevin Goodman: was a, really an awakening for me in terms of, well, how do I continue to maintain this?
I've kind of been dancing on the edges of trying to create these moments for myself when other people in my life, but do I sustain this at a higher level and scale it and get serious Um,
being, you know, being in this frame of mind.
Casey Berglund: yeah, that is such a beautiful story. [00:10:00] Yeah, you, you shared bits of that in conversations prior and hearing it today brings the same sort of like emotion to me and sort of tingles through me, kind of like that moment when there's such a stark truth, that is undeniable that you recognize inside your whole system and in an embodied way, you know, you said there was this wave of emotions that was like, this is life, you know, and it's fascinating to me when those moments come, how they literally can change everything in an instant and they come like a, like a download, you know,
Kevin Goodman: Yeah, absolutely.
Casey Berglund: and you weren't, you weren't expecting it.
Right. And, and it's just, it's fascinating how life works that way.
Kevin Goodman: I think it does a really good point that you mentioned, cause I wasn't expecting it, but I was present to receive it.
Casey Berglund: Yes.
Kevin Goodman: and I think that, that, that was one of the things, is that of, uh, because of the setting, because I think that, [00:11:00] I think that that to download or to get, I like to frame it as that connection to the source, right?
The connection to the source energy that we all have, and that really drives us together, there's so much distraction. There's so much noise that doesn't allow us to always receive that signal.
Casey Berglund: Yeah.
Kevin Goodman: at that, at that point, because of my heightened, state with my God down, the moment and just being present for my grandmother in that moment, because it felt like I needed to.
Represent her as much as I needed to, you know, represent my, my mother and my family, and then, you know, and go through this process, but I needed to represent her and it opened my mind up to be, know, just in tune everything, what was going on. And it was an hour, it really felt like an out buddy experience, but it was a one that I'm very happy that I had.
Casey Berglund: Yeah, beautiful. And just to complete the picture, how old is your son?[00:12:00]
Kevin Goodman: My son? is nine years old. So
Casey Berglund: Wow. And contributed to such a, well, it sounds like contributed such wisdom in that really profound moment that, you know, he was such a big part of this connected feeling. Um, and I love that. I love that you talked about being like open to receive the wisdom and in those moments where you're like connected to source or, you know, I might use the terms like in alignment.
Um, when I, when I hear your story, you know, you're speaking about basically being very truthful and in integrity with yourself and talking to your leadership team about like this role you hired me for isn't any longer, best for the company. It sounds like that's what you were saying. And, um, may, maybe it's time for me to leave like that part.
It sounds like there was some openness to the source and some alignment in that moment. And then, you know, I'm hearing you say that that in many ways was a gift to be able [00:13:00] to be ready and present and prepared for your grandmother's passing, which led to that moment of truth and awakening. And so, you know, at the start, when you talked about the transition, the awakening, the realization, and then you also spoke about like, things are happening as they should.
It sounds like that's an example of what you mean by that. I feel like you answered my second part of
the question, you know?
Kevin Goodman: right.
Casey Berglund: Yeah.
Kevin Goodman: right. It is. How that happens because you don't know? what's in the other side of the blessing that you want. And we can look from the outside and think that we know what life is going to be like on the other side of that, but we don't know. And you do get there, sometimes you're either going to say.
I wish I'd prepared more or you're going to say I'm so happy the unprepared, or I had these experiences that now allow me to navigate the new terrain I'm in. So let's say you were working full time a corporation you've already dreamed about having your own business. Then you stepped into the life of an entrepreneur.[00:14:00]
all of the things that came with being an entrepreneur is coming to you at once. You're like, oh, I wish I had the structure of being in corporate. Right? You're gonna have to fight through that. you had numerous things that occurred that maybe delayed you becoming an entrepreneurial, but there was some projects that were popping up in your corporational.
If you're volunteering and certain things happen that you solve problems in that context, not knowing how that's going to help you. On the other side, you know, that's a kind of an example of being ready for what you want, as opposed to it coming and not having that experience that lasts to capsulize on the moment.
Casey Berglund: Yeah. And it takes deep trust. Like when I hear you talk, I'm sensing that you have this like trust in life right now. And sometimes I'll speak from the eye. That's hard sometimes when things are hard or when shit doesn't feel like it's going your way or you're in that space between, and the brain sort of negative bias starts to create these stories.
And I'm curious how you, if you have those moments or how you deal with those moments where maybe the doubt [00:15:00] comes in and, and you kind of continue to trust, even though you don't necessarily have the evidence yet that it's all gonna work out.
Kevin Goodman: Yeah, that's another really good question. I think that, let me think for a second. I think when those moments pop up, so I look at doubt the same way I look. Nervousness to an extent, and I'm completely going off the top. So I may a couple of years old. That's how I feel. Right. And I'm going to say, I mean, if you are going into a massive speech and you have these nerves, the nerves of, because it's a moment that's important, the nerves are because is something that really does have some significance you're recognizing that.
And then once you get over the nerves, you go out.
there, do you have an excellent speech? of a sudden you're saying, so why, why was I nervous? Right. I was prepared. I knew what I was talking about. The people who were really nice. So why, why was I even nervous, nervous to begin with? I think that it's that [00:16:00] idea of, of, of you are internally recognizing that there's there's this moment and that can bring with it.
Apprehension some hesitation. I think it's the same thing. When it comes to doubt. If the internal audience that you have is, you know, that whatever you do in life, that you have to live with your actions. Now, sometimes fool ourselves. not the case, but ultimately deep, deep inside of us. I think we all know we have this observer.
That's going to remind us about the way that we reacted and doubt sometimes be overwhelming when things are going bad, because you're like, I don't know if I'm going to be able to get through this, but when you've got through it, a couple of times you then know that it would be, you wouldn't be able to live with yourself if you didn't try to get through it.
And oftentimes those hard time just require effort because people, there's lots of good people in the world and will step up to help you. But a lot of the time they don't even see for help, unless they see you try. [00:17:00] And I think that that's, that's how I look at it as a, you just got to try to keep taking those forward the universe or God, or whatever your belief is, to make things come into your path.
And going back to what I said earlier, it's also about removing the noise. Cause I think doubt is the, is the noise. The doubt is what's stopping you from taking the right next step. And once you remove that doubt, now you are listening and able to hear the right opportunities that come your way or hear that part of your voice that is bringing the solutions forward.
So I think that's how I, I look at at that time.
Casey Berglund: How do you know the difference between the part of the voice that's bringing the solution forward and the voice that is the doubt or the fear? You know, people often ask that question like fear and intuition can kind of like walk along a really fine line. Um, so yeah, I feel like these are hard questions.
They're kind of deep questions. Gavin. I know
I'm throwing, I'm throwing you some, some big
Kevin Goodman: I like, I like it. Cause I, you know, sometimes when you're answering these questions and you're going inside yourself, you're teaching yourself at the same time.
Casey Berglund: Yeah.
Kevin Goodman: always things that you would ask yourself. So I like this. Um, I think so if I think about that, that, how do you tell the difference between the two voices?
Well, I think that so doubt versus intuition. I think that for me, the difference between the two is intuition though, there are both feelings, intuition to me has a deep connection to truth. So the reason intuition is so powerful is because when you are having intuition, there's something inside you that said, Yeah.
That's absolutely true. And that's what convinces you to then take the next step. It's the same thing that makes you say to yourself, if you don't fully intuition on your, I should have done it.
Casey Berglund: Yeah.
Kevin Goodman: knew it because it was the truth. Now doubt on the other hand, Doubt is only effective on the surface when you don't [00:19:00] probe deeper into it.
Because the other side of doubt you often say, well, why, why was I worried about That
Casey Berglund: Yes.
Kevin Goodman: Right? So it's so doubt is not connected to true for all. This is a projection of something, you know, it could, it could be, as I said, the moment recognition that the moment is really important, but you just don't know how to grapple with that internally.
it could be something else, but ultimately there's no truth in doubt, because you don't know until you actually make the effort to try and get through that. So I would say
Casey Berglund: You're so wise, Kevin, I just got to get you talking and then all these frigging truth bombs come out of your mouth. You know, this is this we're not done here yet.
You, you also, you also said something, um, when you were talking about navigating doubt, uh,
Kevin Goodman: Yeah.
Casey Berglund: These weren't your words, but to summarize it, like evidence builds confidence, you move through doubt enough times and receive the like truth on the other side, [00:20:00] or maybe truth in doubt or side-by-side and you choose the truth.
And then it works out. It's like you're gathering up evidence that it's safe to trust that you can do hard things, move through doubt, and that you can follow that maybe clearer, deeper voice you're you're saying that intuition is connected to undeniable truth. And, you know, hearing you share that is, is making me reflect on my own sort of experience with doubt and, you know, um, dear listener, Kevin and I met in coach training.
And so we both have experienced in coaching. And so.
Kevin Goodman: absolutely.
Casey Berglund: I'm remembering a moment actually, with a coach that I was working with and she was coaching me on doubt, that was coming up around me, kind of like really playing bigger, me, really stepping into my next level, really embodying my gifts and really like doing the damn thing, you know, and this, this concept of self doubt came in.
And, you [00:21:00] know, it's funny when I, when I'm being coached. I think because I also have a lot of tools in my toolbox, all I'll ask her what I need. I'm like, dear coach, right now, I need to go into my body and see where the doubt lives. And she's like, great. Let me help guide you there. And we had this experience where as I tapped into my body, I noticed that the doubt felt like a constriction, a contraction in my body.
And as I tuned into it, I had this like memory of a younger version of me. Without going into all the details. It was so clear that the doubt was like a nervous little girl, part of me that, um, really just didn't want to be left behind. And as we navigated this concept of doubt in an embodied way, what I realized, and I feel like I'm sharing this because it aligns with what you said is that, that little young part that may be little hurt part scared part.
Kevin Goodman: Hmm.
Casey Berglund: Her [00:22:00] job is actually to make me more certain, I had this huge realization in this moment that the doubt, the contraction in the body when like attuned to and felt, um, and in certain moments, I think that's necessary. And in other moments, it's like, Nope, that's just a limiting thought. Let's just put that to the side and move forward.
Like sometimes it's an easier process to move through doubt, but I realized in this moment, The, my body was trying to give me wisdom around like where the nervousness actually lies and what that part needs to go forth even more powerfully. And so the big realization of the coaching session was that the role of doubt is to actually make me more certain about my next step and like what would happen if I stopped judging the doubt and actually realize that it may be had wisdom for me about what I needed to like gather up in addition to what I'd already gathered up [00:23:00] to be even more powerful,
Kevin Goodman: Right,
Casey Berglund: know?
And, and I think there's some discernment in that, like in alignment with what you shared about, um, you know, your perspective on intuition versus doubt. And that was so wise, like I think there's some also just some discernment that like, okay, doubt, you can come along, sit in the back seat. We're going to go anyway.
You know, we're going to choose, we're going to choose to stand on that stage and do that talk. Even though there's nerves, even though my palms are sweaty and you know, for me, I get this like flushed throat thing that happens when I'm, when I'm about to do something important for say something important.
And sometimes I wonder, like what if I could own those parts, like own the doubt and use it to our advantage.
Kevin Goodman: No, I love that. And thanks for sharing that. Cause I think it's spot on, think that a couple of things you said that that really resonated with me is one, as you were talking, just is another reminder to me that wisdom is everywhere,
Casey Berglund: Um,
Kevin Goodman: in the situations we [00:24:00] are in it's in our experiences, it's in the people that we interact with, it's all also in our bodies.
think that, uh, why I'm a big fan of a lot of your work, especially your Ted talk is when you talk about this whole mind body connection. I think that if we look at how doubt shows up in our bodies, if we are, I'm a former athlete and when you are trying to push your body forward, there's a part where your body says, oh, we can't do that.
can't run that extra mile. We can't lift that weight. Right. trying to protect you, but it's, it's giving you doubt. It's telling you, you can't, you can't do it. know in order to. Build the muscle, or be able to run that marathon. They'll be able to, whatever you're trying to achieve, physically, you go and get through that doubt.
And then you kind of trick your mind into overcoming that doubt within your body. And all of a sudden, you're building this muscle. Now you're building this capability you've gone beyond the doubt into now excellence. Now I think for a couple of reasons, that's really important. One is similarly, I think [00:25:00] in our minds, as we get through doubt to kind of echo the points that we were talking about is we're building that muscle to really true belief in what we're doing.
Casey Berglund: Yeah.
Kevin Goodman: there's some, there's so much doubt becomes useful because lots of people in the world that are quite cynical, or they may not think something is possible, but when you've tackled your own doubt and rationalized it, and then also come to a good place in terms of how you feel about it, you can take the steps past the doubt you're gonna meet externally.
Right. So I think it really does become valuable from that side.
Casey Berglund: Yeah, I love it. Thank you. I, I think it was really important that we really kind of dove deep into doubt and trust and following that voice of truth and intuition, because in any big transition, I know this for my clients. I know this for many community members where the small community members who are navigating big change, um, even honestly, and maybe you've had this experience too.
Kevin on a sailor. [00:26:00] Discovery call with a new client and you're like helping them to get, I'm helping them to get clear on like, what's the challenge. That's kind of keeping them stuck right now. And what's their vision. And, and we're clarifying what it is that they really want. My experience is that there's this building energy, there's this expansive energy that we share in that space when someone has space for their dreams to be seen, heard, amplified and, and where the possibility is held, there's this like truth and expansion and intuition in that space.
And then we end the call and that person goes into their regular environment, which may be triggered some old patterns. And sometimes the contraction, which can look like doubt and fear. And you know, it like comes immediately after. And so this conversation is important because. I think it's a really normal part of decision-making.
And especially when it comes to big change, like even in this example, choosing to [00:27:00] work with a guide or a coach or a mentor for a significant period of time for a significant investment, like that's a big life decision. As, as it's moving across the country, you're choosing to leave your corporate job or explore your creative work, start a business, right?
Like our life is kind of a series of these decisions. And I think, you know, many of the people I attract and you being one of them want to live a big life. So it's a series of big decisions, you know, bold decisions.
Kevin Goodman: it is. I love that you brought up coaching there because you do see this. I love coaching. I think that when you see people taking steps forward, because, you know, as a coach, you know, you're not to lead anybody to a particular outcome. You're just creating awareness for them to get to where they actually want to go in their heart, where they truly believe.
And the beauty of, of coaching or working with clients is. You start to see, as people get closer and closer and closer and [00:28:00] closer to the truth that they start to gain So.
much momentum that they just are off to the races. Like they can just, now they can through walls there's no turning back.
Once you've accepted the truth. You also accept that you can't unsee the truth.
Casey Berglund: Right.
Kevin Goodman: in the process, some people start to get a little, um, coffee, Right.
Because they're like, oh, this is a little scary. This is going to take me out of my comfort zone. And they may, as you said, Rebecca revert back to environments that weren't helping them or something else.
But I think there's a, there's a threshold. There's a line that people cross, whether it's through coaching or through something else that once they get so close to that truth, that they believe it, that, you know, are now completely on that path. They, they're not turning away from.
Casey Berglund: Yeah. Yeah. I love the number of times that I've said to, you know, fellow friends who are on a growth path, like, damn, you can't just slap another layer of the onion back on after it's been peeled away. Like you can't unsee what you [00:29:00] see, you can't go back. And, uh, and I think sometimes like that does provide that forward momentum.
And I've definitely had little moments where I'm like, Ooh, this is a hard thing. And there's, there's really no option, but to move through it. Right. But that speaks to your point. When you're giving the example of being an athlete, you build strengths, you build resilience, you build the capacity to do hard things and to go after it, to go after your dreams and make big decisions and big changes.
So, yeah, totally hear that. You spoke a bit earlier. I want to circle back to this. You know, it was part of your answer. When I asked, like, what's president alive with you, you talked about these different parts of you. You're starting to see how they're coming together. And so in our conversation so far, um, hopefully you listener, I've learned a lot about Kevin.
You know, he's worked in corporate, he's a coach. He does some creative work. Um, obviously you're you, you're a family man. You have a wife and a son [00:30:00] and they mean a lot to you. You're very thoughtful and have had these awakenings. Um, I'm curious about what's on the table for you in terms of what you're exploring and what you're seeing come together in addition to what you've already shared.
Kevin Goodman: Yeah. So if I think about the, timeline or I guess the trajectory. Well, I've been doing in my life. I think a lot of what I've done to date has been to build specific skills and whether this was right or wrong, and this is something I need to coach myself through in full transparency. siloed a lot of areas of my life.
So as a creative, I was very siloed. They didn't mix the corporate side with the creative side, or I did, I guess, to some extent the family side, right. It was makes me corporate, but it wasn't a situation where if you met me in corporate, I would be talking about the things I do on the creative side. Right.
I'd always talk about my family, but the [00:31:00] creative and corporate would always be quite separate.
Casey Berglund: Can you, can you just like, say a little bit more about what the creative side is like when you're talking about the creative side, give us a little taste of, of, for you, what your creative side is specifically.
Kevin Goodman: so I write and produce music. Um, I like to design as well. I love to write
Casey Berglund: Yeah.
Kevin Goodman: as well, I just find that it, um, I like to draw, but I think that the core of what I focus on is really around music. That's the, the area where I think I'm most and most experienced and, you know, I've done, uh, travel the world with my music has been a great opportunity to do that.
So played out and done smaller shows in different countries. And it's just been so rewarding, only in terms of the creative process itself, but then that end product, when, know, you're, you're with people that are just sharing the moment with you too. So that's always been something that's been a core part of my life that I've continued to develop over time.
It's not something that I've ever done where the [00:32:00] focus has been monetary gain. It's always been something that I've done where the focus is. is the creative process going to teach me about myself? And how could this possibly help someone else? Right. So I've always looked at it from more from an and external impact standpoint than something that's a monetary thing.
And I think that that has helped me to do it for so long because a lot of other creative friends, I see them struggling with how do they allow the creativity to pay the bills and then be the authentic self, because sometimes for corporate jobs, as a creative, following a very narrow script, or they're telling you what you have to be.
I don't as a great believer that that's the way creativity was. I mean, you can do it because you have the skillset, but true. is something that to me is something. Uh, because, because of the expression that you want to bring forward and that expression cannot be dictated by a corporate timeline is by what you [00:33:00] want to express when you want to express it and how you want to express it. Right. And I think in order to keep that intact, I've always kept that separate and focused on doing that in a way where I can always be my authentic self there.
Casey Berglund: Right.
Kevin Goodman: side is the corporate side.
Casey Berglund: Right. So, so this ties right back into what you were talking about, where you've, whether it was, you said I have some self discovery to do around this, whether it was right or wrong, I've kept these parts kind of in silos. So say, say a bit more about that. Like, so thank you for filling in some of the details around the creative work, but it's like, there was the corporate side and the creative side.
Kevin Goodman: I think, I think so. I think that I'll say this I'm really encouraged with the way world is going today. And it's this ties back into, the why I kept a separate in the past and why I feel that may not be necessary forward.
Casey Berglund: Hmm.
Kevin Goodman: there, there was a time where the world, especially corporate looked at as they look at [00:34:00] hardware devices or facilities or something that wasn't human,
Casey Berglund: We're robots.
Kevin Goodman: yeah, you broke books.
You are, you are owned by the corporation and you must do X. We are buying you to do X and, and bring that to the company that you work for. And We're really not interested in the other elements of your life. If you don't have life balance, have, you know, you shouldn't really have time to express yourself because you should be doing everything to do your job.
Casey Berglund: Yeah.
Kevin Goodman: there was a time that, that that was, was the mindset. I think what's happened. People have evolved. they've recognized that it's not the amount of hours that somebody is at their desk. It's the amount, the depth of the work and the results that they bring forward. So if that individual is inspired and they are, they have a good work life balance, and they are showing up as their full integrate itself, they're going to be a hundred percent more valuable to that company than the old school way of looking at things.
I think that's where a couple of reasons, one, [00:35:00] they are interacting with other people, they are bringing a certain energy that creates momentum. you're not spending half of the meeting just trying to wake people up because they don't want to be.
Casey Berglund: Right.
Kevin Goodman: empowered by the fact that they feel the energy and presence, the true presence of the people who they are now working with.
And also the thing that, you know, all of the bad things that have come out of, of, Uh,
COVID one of the good things is that people are seeing that you don't necessarily need to be at your desk 24 7 to be effective. You can do some of things. Remote and schedules can be morphed around parenting or other things if family time or demon times with friends, right.
To allow people to be able to up as their full selves. So I think those things have led to this type of scenario where I think the integrated person is going to start with. In the workplace because corporations are recognizing the value of that why, I think what kept things siloed previously because of those traditional [00:36:00] mindsets that you can't be more than one thing, people are starting to learn that you can be lots of different things and it doesn't take away from you being effective on the particular tasks that you're focused on at any given time.
Casey Berglund: Yeah, I love that you use the term integrated self and that the integrated person will win. I'm like you're preaching to the choir here. Um, and, and, you know, Kevin, I kind of skipped the corporate path and in the middle of COVID when I was like, I don't know if I want to be an entrepreneur, like, I don't know, this is the first time I've ever questioned it.
Like the doubt came in and it was kind of like, did I miss the game of climbing the corporate ladder and learning what I can learn from that experience, et cetera, et cetera. I tried, I didn't get the jobs I applied for the universe, knocked me back on the entrepreneurial path and it makes perfect sense that that happened for me.
Um, but like I [00:37:00] loved hearing, hearing you say, because I don't have as much experience in that corporate world. Um, just that there truly are shifts happening. You know, I've, I've definitely worked with clients in the corporate space who feel a lot of tension because of the siloing. One thing I've always admired and respected about you.
And, and again, call BS on me if this isn't like true for you, but you seem to have a way of consciously and intentionally choosing how you quote, play the game, like choosing I'm going to be, I'm going to show this corporate side in this setting and I'm going to be full on creative in this setting. And I'm going to be full on authentic, right?
Uh, I I've kind of witnessed in you an intentional choice around that. And even in this conversation, you're saying up until this point, I kept things in silos and you, you say it in a way where you almost own it and you're acknowledging like Hm. To be effective. Um, we're seeing that [00:38:00] that's not necessarily the best way.
And also I want to play the game differently now.
Kevin Goodman: absolutely. I think that lack of a better way of putting it, I think that sometimes because people aren't used to. Working with integrated people, right? Because if you go through school, there's this, this path, you go through school, then you study this particular thing and then you're supposed to become an expert in that thing.
And then just continue on to this journey where you're kind of just stuck
Casey Berglund: Yeah.
Kevin Goodman: this mode. So I think people are just used to seeing people in that way, which I think as I've mentioned before has changed. But I think during the time when it was that way, where if you weren't, if you were doing too many things, that people question your commitment, they question exactly what you're doing.
And I felt that, know, in order for me to. Make sure I was showing up the right way in each of these roles. I didn't want to create that noise of people questioning it will, you know, is he, is he doing something else? I just want to so that people are hiring me for the value that I'm bringing [00:39:00] to the table.
And I'm also legitimately building those skillsets. So I can live up that particular persona. They're not kind of giving me some, some leeway because I'm doing, I'm also doing something else. They're grading me based on doing that particular job as they would, anybody else is doing for that job. Right.
So I want to make sure that I'm earning that spot and building the necessary skills, but also having that wall between the two. So I can, you know, I really use the corporate side to fund the creative side so that I could then have authenticity in the creative side. So they went hand in hand from that standpoint, but allowed me to switch, switch hats I needed to.
Casey Berglund: Yeah, right? Yeah. So you were saying up until this point, there was this siloing of the different parts and it served you well, it sounds like it served you well served you really well. And moving forward, you're, you're contemplating that, you know, maybe it doesn't have to be this way. And so I'm curious in this space that you're in which, um, you know, it is a bit of a space [00:40:00] between perhaps, I don't know if you would say.
Define it that way, like where, where the corporate role that you've had has, has kind of fallen away. And there are other things on the table right now. It's I I'm having this vision of like sitting in front of a buffet and you choosing what kind of meal you want to put together. So I, I'm curious about what's popping for you, what clarity you do have, uh, or what is becoming clear about your next level vision and how you want to become perhaps that integrated person.
Kevin Goodman: Absolutely. I think that the thing that jumps out to me there is choosing the path of impact. So if I look at, know, the of two hearts or the tail of the chapters today, right, the chapter I'm now rolling out of the of developing expertise and credibility and skills, Right. Without [00:41:00] putting myself in positions to acquire those skills.
is the time now where impact becomes the focus. So how can I deploy these skills to have the maximum amount of impact? if I think about the impact that I am driving towards is. Creating a while doing whatever I can to help people become great. And when I say great, it means good, make good people who have good intentions.
And, you know, they're really trying. They have something they know that they want to do. How can I help them move from that state into being great at what they do showing up the way that they want to show up, able to, you know, take their passions and to take the patterns to purpose, empower them to look at kind of driving whatever their expression is into them, creating the impact as well.
So I just want to be in the circle of doing that. And that's, that's where I see myself driving myself into any opportunity that aligns to, [00:42:00] to that.
Casey Berglund: Right. Yeah. And when I hear you talk, it's like, and I'm going to use every skill that I've mastered up until this point. And every part of my being of who I've become up until this point and open up to all the source, wisdom and creativity, and I'm going to use all of myself in order to do
that, which is a different perspective than the old paradigm.
Kevin Goodman: Absolutely. Yeah.
That that's, that's how I see it, because I think allows you to connect. You can, you know, you influence people when you with them. And I use influence a positive way of saying that only influence that makes sense, isn't, it's the influence that creates the impact that helps people then make their lives better.
Right? in order to do that, you need to draw from things or I need to draw from the different skillsets and environments I've been in. So I have a greater understanding what that person is going through and can then use that [00:43:00] connection point help to move them forward. I look at those, these different, though they were siloed, they allowed me to truly experience.
What it is on that corporate, uh, journey, truly experience what it is to be on that creative journey, experience without any distractions in, as an athlete or, you know, all these
Casey Berglund: Yeah.
Kevin Goodman: So then I can come to the table and really speak to people from that way,
Casey Berglund: Oh, I love that so much. And it just resonates with me a lot, you know, I think about now when I show up to guide someone I'm literally showing. Dropping into my presence and trusting that all of my skills and gifts and talents, and you know, those 10 years as a dietician and growing up on a farm and outside of a 200 person town and biggie being a certified coach and also honing my intuitive gifts and, and every single person I've met along the way in that moment where I'm guiding someone, I'm dropping into presence and trusting that
Kevin Goodman: Yes.
Casey Berglund: [00:44:00] of that can be pulled upon to support whoever's in front of me, you know?
And, and that's what I'm hearing you say too. Okay.
Kevin Goodman: That's all right.
Casey Berglund: Before we hit record, you had shared with me that there are some sort of specific maybe areas that you are exploring, having that impact, helping people go from good to great. Was that a Jim Collins book? I think I'm
just having a, yeah.
Kevin Goodman: yeah.
Casey Berglund: I mean, great. It's a great slogan, to be honest.
And yeah, I love it. But, um, you know, you, you talked about being on a board of trustees and empowering moms and like talk about some of these different areas that you're applying this, this deep purpose to be impactful and to be driven by impact.
Kevin Goodman: Absolutely. And I'm glad you brought up that book because that is a great book from good to great. It kind of took a personal twist with me because my last name is Goodman. And so [00:45:00] always people would always say, oh, are you a good man? And I would always respond that I'm a good man to become a great one.
Casey Berglund: Oh, I love that.
Kevin Goodman: a, as a play on it. Right. So I've always kind of stuck with that. The idea, because I do think that. Everybody has some form of greatness and It's just, as they go through the journey of life, meet a lot of naysayers or you get pushed into certain boxes that you need to tick, then it subdues your ability to bring, bring that forward.
But it's so important for people to pursue that because often, and I'm introvert. So you don't really, um, always think about out in the forefront as an introvert. Right. But, you forget how much of an impact, the thing that you're good at, or the thing that you're born to be great at can have on other people and that they can awaken within them.
Right. So, and it's just how I look at this. I completely rambled there and lost where your other question was, but I think what was your other question there? Your question [00:46:00] was,
Casey Berglund: It's like, what are the playgrounds that you're applying this to like, like the specific opportunities, what are the opportunities that are presenting themselves for you to help people?
Kevin Goodman: Yeah, definitely. So, yeah, I was really happy to share with you that I just joined the board of trustees or was just nominated or approved to be on the board of trustees for my university, which was a big, step for me because I see that as a great vehicle to continue to help people and the good learning process me to learn more about the other side of how universities and education works.
I think that I look at the way I used my college experience, it really helped me as I moved forward and into the world, because I was like play on the basketball team. I was president of different things, the student activities and student government, I just tried to be across the board because coming from England, I just wanted to make the most of the experience.
So I found that that can transition into me being able to do a lot of. [00:47:00] It'd be very effective. Uh, as I then graduated from college, I did my undergrad and my grad there and always stayed quite connected with university. then when the opportunity came up for me to start to be involved at a deeper level, joining the board of trustees, I perceived that opportunity and then put myself forward.
Casey Berglund: Hm.
Kevin Goodman: week I, uh, was able to be named as the board of trustees. So I see that as something I'm going to be focused on going forward, that will be really impactful.
Casey Berglund: Hmm. I love that. And, and what about the empowering mothers part of
Kevin Goodman: yeah.
So I have, uh, I've been blessed with having very strong women in my life and who've really just helped to
Casey Berglund: Yeah.
Kevin Goodman: and shape me into the man I am today. And when I look at the, the way society. Truett's some others. I don't like it. honest. So when, when my, or my wife had my, my son and she was, [00:48:00] uh, you know, took some time out and she was looking to get back into the workforce.
I didn't like the way that they were evaluating their skillset. I know her, I love her. I'm looking at the things that she couldn't do. And I'm saying to myself, are they really taking a. Look at what this individual brings to the table, or are they just kind of bringing some type of bias that says if a mother has been out of the workforce for a certain amount of time, that she can no longer bring value.
Right. And, uh, I, as I said, I didn't, didn't like that. And I said, well, we gotta do something about that. So for two reasons, one, because I felt like, well, if my wife has the opportunity to be at home, then working on this type of organization will be good for her as well as good for the women that will then the events and everything else that goes on.
So, because I felt like a confidence took a knock when she was
Casey Berglund: yeah.
Kevin Goodman: back in. And I think that that happens to a lot of women, right? Because they know the skillset, they know they built this career. It doesn't, all those skills don't go away because they took a [00:49:00] year or two years or whatever the case may be to be mothers.
how do you help, uh, bring women together so that they can have this community raise. Issues talk about different things that affect them, whether it's, um, as you said, mind, body, or whether it's the mom brain and the changes in the mum brain, whether it's a health and wellness, um, whether it's anxiety, you know, different topics that wife has hosted events around the, I learned a lot from, and I just, um, have continued to be a massive supporter to try and do anything I can to drive that forward and that, you know, something that's really near and dear to me, as I said, because of the women that
Casey Berglund: Yeah, I know. I love that about you. You've shared with me so many beautiful stories, um, connected to your relationships with like your mother and your wife and, and just the, the reverence for women is, um, something that I really, I, it makes me feel like really safe in your presence and really like receptive to your [00:50:00] wisdom.
And I just like, I it's, it's part of who you are that makes me feel so celebrated by you. So I love that. And I love that you're, you know, what a way to have impact, like, as you're talking about those experiences that your wife has had, I'm like, oh yeah, like that's so many women, that's so many mothers. Um, I just think about the mom friends that I have.
And I, I guess I'm curious as is that a local in, in the.
Kevin Goodman: It's something. Something's been focused in, the Jersey city area now where there was some plans to take it further. What do you see in clients that take it into New York and some other cities globally as well, where we have people on the ground and then the COVID hit. So the live events kind of got shut down and then we've been working on, uh, a virtual, basically Uh, kind of like a, uh, or a teaching center where people can access this information as well as live, [00:51:00] events as well and different pieces of content that can be valuable to people. So we've been behind the.
scenes building this out and I'm to do a lot during this year.
Casey Berglund: yeah. Keep me posted on how that unfolds. Like I, I'm happy to support that too. Just thinking about all the moms in my life and my desire to be a mother, how those types of resources and support, I can just see being so valuable. Um, and then what's happening in the realm of music upcoming.
Kevin Goodman: That, yeah. for asking that. There's always something that's. Going on in my life. I never switched that side of it off. I was actually I was in London last week. Well, I say I just came back. What was that Right. So, uh, the night before I had all these things I wanted to accomplish, and then once those families, things got taken care of, I promised myself that I would a session to go in and do some more music.
Cause I'm always, always writing. And it was funny cause [00:52:00] I went to do a song with my cousin. And the reason that I picked my cousin for the song because he was instrumental in me being interested in music. So music was always going on in my house my mother's from Trinidad, my father's from Guyana.
one of the things that many people may not know about the music that comes from Trinidad, it's soca music. is also term that's used for music mentioned that. what makes it very intelligent is that some of the have double meanings. So I've always been drawn to use. Music and using words to say more than just what is on the surface of the song.
Casey Berglund: Yeah,
Kevin Goodman: you know, that's, that's just the way I write and I, I love the writing process. I said, Yeah,
I want to do something with my because it's one of those kind of markers in terms of things that you've done, that you always look back on. And the, so I tried to book the studio time and I really only did like an hour or two hours with him to get apart from him that I would then use in the song.[00:53:00]
And in the studio that I go to in London said, you can only book a four envelope. And I said, oh, I forgot that. Um, you have to book four hours. So I'm going to have to come up with a way to really use that time effectively. I w when I landed, because I'm big on reconnecting with, with people that I think when you're in that corporate, um, mind-state and you're working and you have your family and everything else, sometimes your network of friends, you don't put enough care and attention into that.
And it's something that I'm absolutely addressing now, had some time to think about it. So I said, there's a really close friend of mine after I landed or reach out to him because I typically don't get to see him. And, you know, he's always been a really good friend, so went to see him. He mentioned the mutual friend that we had just impulsive.
And then when it, when the studio time had to be ascended. That name that you mentioned popped up? Cause I said, I need a singer. And she sings. I want to see still sings. So then I reached out to her and we were playing text tag and [00:54:00] then, you know, I knew it was going to be difficult to pull this off.
But, um, I said to her, look, I don't know you can make it. Um, but you know, the, this is the address to the studio because he had mentioned that she'd just started a new job. And I can only imagine what a new job, how hectic everything is. There was only a week a week into it, we before, right. So she responded, he said, can you give me a call?
So I gave her a call and she goes, um, okay, w what's the song? So I her what the song is kind of it for. She said, you won't believe this case. But usually be very difficult for me to get somewhere because of the time that my job finishes. I know you're leaving the next day, job that I took is five minutes from the studio.
Casey Berglund: Wow.
Kevin Goodman: it was just like, perfect alignment that I had to do this extra time. she's five minutes away. she came in and it was an amazing session. Like she hasn't been doing singing as much as she would like to. And this was the session was [00:55:00] actually something that helped to bring her out personnel.
So I had that added bonus, but she also was just amazing in the studio to work with as well. Now I'm really excited about the salsa. I'll continue to work on that. And then, uh, my summer, I think I'll have, so my goal is within the next couple of months to finish new round of music.
Casey Berglund: Oh, well, stay tuned for that, for sure. You're so in the flow, I love that. Just the synchronicities and what evidence that things are always working out, you know, like it's like the universe has other plans. We're going to give you four hours to get even
more recording time in, you
Kevin Goodman: If
Casey Berglund: Yeah,
Kevin Goodman: he couldn't couldn't have aligned and that's, and that's the thing is that, you know, I think that's the thing in, trusting the process and
Casey Berglund: yeah,
Kevin Goodman: you know? instead of just turning it down and saying, oh, well, that doesn't really fit. I don't want to take the foreign, spend that money.
I don't, it's more of saying, okay, what can I do with this? What can I do with what has now been presented with me? think a lot of the times when things pop up, the kind of off-script, we [00:56:00] it without analyzing it and seeing why this might actually be the best thing
Casey Berglund: yeah.
Kevin Goodman: just one of those things where was the absolute, I couldn't ask for a better outcome that having to happen.
Casey Berglund: Yeah. I mean, it takes a certain level of consciousness to see that as an opportunity rather than a problem, which when I hear you talk, it's like, you're always seeking, seeing the opportunity in whatever is present, which is, uh, a very like specific way of being in the world. And, you know, I, I tend to think that it will guide someone toward the greatness that they seek, you know?
Um, I love what you said about, um, being influenced by your lineage and, and how you do music and the intelligence of the music. And it made me think about how, when I first listened to your music, I remember feeling like, wow, these words are so powerful, like in a positive, impactful way, and [00:57:00] also the energy underneath, like there's something about, and you just kind of validated the felt sense that I had.
Um, when you were talking about like the double meaning. 'cause. I remember like listening to the words and feeling like, wow, and I'm a word lover, like words are potent words. Matter words, have a energy and a frequency that you're putting out into the world. Um, and the feeling that I get when I listen to your music is uplifting.
And I, I just love that so much. And, and it makes perfect sense based on everything I've learned from you today. And, and I'm sure this is true for the listeners as well, that.
your, yeah, your, your kind of like connection to, and intention to have an impact. Like it just comes through everything that you do, all of these examples that you've shared so far.
Um, I'm curious as we wrap
Kevin Goodman: Yes.
Casey Berglund: what I haven't asked [00:58:00] you, that I should have asked you to really like, bring this home.
Kevin Goodman: Right, right. Oh, well, okay. Do you ask your meet what you could have also? I thought you were. I thought
Casey Berglund: What haven't I asked you. No, no, I'm I'm I'm I'm asking you what haven't I asked you that would have been a good question for you to answer. And then, you know, if you just want to answer it, answer the question I didn't ask.
Kevin Goodman: ah, That's really terrible. I was like, I was sitting back and I was like, okay.
this is building, this is building to this question that she has. And then I was like completely unprepared
Casey Berglund: That's okay.
Kevin Goodman: has to come up with the question. So let me, let me think about this. Um, I think the question maybe that they could bring it home is when I think about the things that I am driving towards, and that are important to me is how did I [00:59:00] come to the conclusion those things should be the important thing?
Casey Berglund: Ooh. I'm so glad I asked you that mind-bending question.
Kevin Goodman: so, so, um, if I think about that, right, I think that in my life. Yeah, there's this, there's all these, these twists and turns in your life. And think one of the greatest gifts that my mother gave to me that, you know, I grew up with just my mother. So my, my father wasn't there, but my mother never put anything me in terms of negative thoughts about my father.
She spoke a bad word about him, even when things are difficult and other things would have been difficult for her at times, right. never blamed him for the circumstance. And it was the greatest gift because it allowed me to move through life without a level of [01:00:00] present moment to anything. Right.
There's no connection to this, this. Uh, to, to negative feelings around what was going on, gave me the clarity to see I could become. And I think that as I continue to walk through life, said, well, how can I continue to drive this energy forward? Like how can I continue to make sure the people are as close to a, a positive mindset Because I just found that that was so impactful for me, right? I've always tried to strive to do that. And then becoming a father. I then really understood the importance of doing that because ultimately the ripple effects of our actions and how we influence people, the people we love and the people who are then the next generation that's coming on.
I look at the. Why have become so important for me to drive forward. Originally, I think there was this feeling I [01:01:00] think we all have it right? There's this feeling of at times not being good enough. when my father wasn't there, especially as a son, I think I had to wrestle with the fact that there, what was it?
Was there something about me that he didn't feel it was good enough
Casey Berglund: Right.
Kevin Goodman: Right. But then, but then not having to deal with around that. I had that clarity of really saying, well, no, that's something to do with him. That's really nothing to do with me. And I
Casey Berglund: Wow.
Kevin Goodman: to live my life and, you know, um, get really going to ramble.
Now I had one of the most, my most impactful moments. Becoming a father. I hadn't seen my, my father 20 years and all the times I've been back to London. I hadn't even really looked for him, but I said to myself, this is something that's important. Something that I've got to do. I can't leave this So I went and I saw him. it was one of the most important things that I did because the fact that I was now a father and I've accomplished things in my life, I could go to him without needing anything from him. I could just see him as a human being. [01:02:00] And it was really insightful to see, you know, the, the, both, good traits that have come from him that I think I picked up some things that I completely went in the other direction from the allowed me, I believe to be most successful in my life.
And you know, so I look at why I do the things I do now. It's two. Continue to drive that right energy, the energy that I think I can bring forward the world so that other people could have these moments of clarity. Because I think once you hit that moment of clarity, that moment of truth, it just makes your life better.
And also you just don't know the impact. It's going to have to the people who are watching what you're going through. So
Casey Berglund: Wow.
Kevin Goodman: I
Casey Berglund: Oh, it ma it made perfect sense. What I heard you say was like a deep acknowledgement of the ripple effect of your thoughts, words, actions, behaviors, you know, you acknowledged your mother for instilling positive thought in you and even given [01:03:00] difficult circumstances, not speaking negatively about your father and not building that resentment in you.
And then it sounds like you becoming a father was another moment of like what I say and do and how I live my life matters because I'm showing not just my son, but the ripple beyond family as well. I just, I just appreciate your acknowledgement of, of the story that involves family and, and that journey of.
Maturing as an adult and then meeting your dad, seeing your dad, speaking with him and seeing his humanity, and also acknowledging how everything has impacted how you become and your actions. Now, it sounds like there's such this clear awareness that it, it matters in ways, in ways you don't even know and can't even see, you know, like we don't know exactly.
Who's listening to this conversation right
Kevin Goodman: right. right Absolutely.
Casey Berglund: and it matters. [01:04:00]
Kevin Goodman: Yeah.
Casey Berglund: Yeah.
Kevin Goodman: thank you for giving me the platform to say this and everyone else that you've had on, because I absolutely does have.
Casey Berglund: Um, thank you. I so appreciate having you here. Um, if someone wanted to get in touch with you, what's the best way to connect with you and, you know, I'll be sure to have a bunch of links in the show notes too, but what's your preferred way to stay connected.
Kevin Goodman: So, I guess the best way, then we'll put some, some links out there as well. I think that the best way for people to reach out to me and pretty easy to find on LinkedIn, I'm just Kevin Goodman, on LinkedIn.
Casey Berglund: Okay.
Kevin Goodman: if you're looking at some of my socials, like Instagram and things like that music, you can go to cause one-on-one, and simple.
Or my Instagram is Kevin D. Goodman. you want to send me a DM on there, to hear from you. And then I also have, so organization for mothers is called, mama's got Moja
Casey Berglund: Ooh, love it.
Kevin Goodman: and then the, work [01:05:00] I've done or to help creatives uh, G 1 0 1 global. And that is the website. But, uh, I, you know, I have out there that we tried to do some things to help creatives and navigating how to be their authentic selves in such a difficult of entertainment.
Casey Berglund: Wow. Thank you so much for sharing. I'll make sure that all the deets are easily accessible and, um, there will be many more conversations to come. Kevin, I so appreciate you taking the time and sharing your heart and authenticity and wisdom and all the, all the gifts that you offer.
Kevin Goodman: I really appreciate the time. Thanks so much.
Casey Berglund: You're so welcome. Okay.
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