What Are My Next Steps When I Have a Corporate Job and a Side Hustle I Want to Grow?
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Casey: [00:00:00] What are my next steps. When I have a corporate job and a side hustle, I want to grow, how do I balance or harmonize my value of financial security with my value of creativity and growing my business. Have you ever asked yourself these questions? I know, I certainly have welcome back to the purpose map podcast.
Casey: This is Casey Berglund, your host, and the founder of where the end. Well today in this live coaching episode, our community member is asking some very important questions. The ones that I stated just moments ago, she's in a position where she's been growing this business on the side, working in a corporate job and has a whole bunch of questions around what she needs to do next.
Casey: I guide her into her body and she discovers this [00:01:00] fear shows up as a particular sensation that we follow and explore until it brings her to a sense of truth and clarity at the end. Enjoy this episode. I can't wait to hear what it brings up for you. Here we go.
Casey: thank you so much for being here on the purpose map podcast for your live coaching session. I'm delighted to have you.
Selena: Thank you for welcoming me.
Casey: Yeah, it's going to be awesome. So we're, we're here today to discuss a topic related to work money getting paid, and you shared a little bit of context beforehand. Um, and I'm curious as we dig in, if you could. Share a little more around what topic you want some support with today.
Selena: Yeah. Um, gosh, it's complicated. Um,
Selena: so it's all about career [00:02:00] and being well,
Selena: paid and next steps I would say. Um, so there's kind of something. So I work in a corporate space right now, as well as have a side hustle and. I want to grow the side hustle and also need to regular money to live and, uh, have that solid foundation.
Selena: So it's still this lovely balance of like following my authority and my passions and also making sure I'm well paid and have, and well-resourced for all of the things I need to be. Um, Yeah, So. Right now, it's kind of we're at this decision point, I have, um, done an interview for a job inside of my corporate, um, Space and, you [00:03:00] know, it's interesting because I haven't received an offer or anything yet, but, um, if when that happens there, there's going to be some decision-making on like, okay, can I accept a new job?
Selena: Or how does this look future future me? What do I need on the grander scale? Um, so yeah, that's a little context. Where do I want to go? Take a risk and start my own business and do the things that I've always wanted to do. So, um, ask me some questions, Casey.
Casey: course, of course. Yeah, of course. Thank you for sharing. And that's the perfect place to start, and I really appreciate you bringing this topic forward because I know that, um, There are people listening who are in the exact same boat. And this is a really common question that comes up when someone is beginning an entrepreneurial path is it starts to bring up questions around what they do with their [00:04:00] corporate job.
Casey: And so what I'm hearing you say is it can sometimes feel like there's tension or a lack of clarity in this decision-making process. And, uh, I'm hearing you say that you have. A couple of different values that are revealing themselves. You have this value of being well-resourced, um, experiencing financial security and stability.
Casey: You also are a creative being and you have this value of expressing your creativity and serving the world with your unique gifts and, and in an entrepreneurial way. And. What I'm hearing you say is that those sometimes feel like they're in conflict or competing with one another, rather than in harmony.
Casey: Does that feel true for you?
Selena: Totally. Yeah.
Selena: Maybe this is like, it's so interesting. I hear very similar sentiment from a lot of people. Um, I would say in [00:05:00] like J late, early gen Z, late millennial generation of like, I just wanna have a good life and not have to worry about work and how I'm going to pay all my bills. Um, and so that, that. Essence of that as well.
Selena: Like
Casey: Yeah.
Selena: raise your seed. We're not here to work. You know, we're here to create the stuff we want to create and live the lives we want to live. So, um, that's playing into this bigger picture
Casey: Yeah. And, and of, of course you would want to live a full life. That's in alignment with your deep desires and. I sense from what you're saying there, this, this, knowing that you have the power to create that if you want. Um, and it sounds like there's some tugs in different directions. So let's explore this a little bit more.
Casey: Um, In alignment with this overall topic of discovering next steps. When you have a [00:06:00] corporate job and a side hustle, what specifically would you like to receive or accomplish? By the time we get to the end of our time together?
Selena: Um, I just want to be held in the decision making process and in the space of. Like let's talk about the options and let's have some clarity on different next steps. And, and then I don't, I don't think there's going to be a decision made at the end of this call. I think it's just more like someone to hear all the, all the thoughts that are going into the decision versus getting to the decision that.
Casey: Yeah. What would, what would being heard and having space held for you and, you know, being seen and maybe having you reflected back to you, [00:07:00] what would having those things do for you? Why is it important to you to have that?
Selena: I think it's just, it's so hard to make decisions in isolation and. I think it's hard to see yourself sometimes and in all of this. So I just having it reflected back, um, just be that like, somebody else can see me and reflect the things they're seeing and soundboard and get, get into it with me.
Casey: Yeah, it sounds like you want to use this time as a bit of a jam sesh so that you can, um, maybe cut through some of the cloudiness towards a bit more clarity and, uh, feel supported in the decision-making process. And if I could wave a magic wand and by the end of our time, you were absolutely certain that.
Casey: Got [00:08:00] what you needed in this space holding process. Like how will you know, how will you know that you received what you came here for?
Selena: I think there's just clarity and like a clear connection to like my body's wisdom a little bit around what, what am I leaning towards? Where am I? Like, what are the things that I'm thinking? What are all the things? And being able to actually like, explain. Some of that to, to people without in more articulate way, because right now it's like
Casey: Hmm.
Selena: a cloudy mess above my head.
Selena: And it's like, I think the feeling will come out of like clear knowing closer to the chest.
Casey: Um,
Selena: that's brighter.
Casey: Yeah, well, beautiful wisdom. So what I'm hearing you say is the [00:09:00] cloudiness, you sense as like a swirling above your head and what you're after is a clearer knowing. And as you did that, I'm using my hands here for the listener who can't see me. Um, as you did that, you brought your hands down towards your body, towards your heart and said that I'll know, and I'll be able to tap into my body wisdom and have that clear and knowing that's a little bit more dropped in.
Casey: Does that feel accurate?
Selena: Totally. Totally. Yeah.
Casey: Okay. So that's what we're after. Um, I'd love for you to share just a tiny bit more about the body wisdom piece. I know you brought your hands to your heart and you said you'd feel that there, but. How do you connect with clear knowing by way of the body? Like how will you know that your body wisdom is offering you a no?
Selena: It's hard to describe.[00:10:00]
Selena: It's just like, there's no more cloud. There's no more what ifs and all those voices it's just like dropped in to my chest kind of an expansive feeling, but like,
Selena: um, how would I describe that? It's just this, like in the gut, knowing this is, this is what I need to do. Um, and I think with this one, There's might be some, some differentiating fear in the body and the clear knowing, I think the fear can sometimes also be in the body, um, for myself at least. And it's like, Ooh,
Casey: Yeah.
Selena: can come up. Um, and it can be alongside that, like expansive.
Selena: Yes. I need to do this. Yes. I need to be brave kind of feeling. It's a [00:11:00] very hard thing to describe, but it it's definitely like in the heart and kind of around the solar plexus
Casey: Yeah.
Casey: And as I asked you that question, which I know it's a very difficult question to put words to body wisdom. Um, and what I witnessed in you as you were. Looking for the right words to describe how that would feel for you as your shoulders dropped. And your hands really came into center. I almost saw your body come closer into center and like drop down.
Casey: And so, um, I guess I invite you to trust that I'm watching your system too and noticing and looking for those signs of being dropped in. And we'll use that wisdom to check in with you and kind of connect with your own intuition. It sounds like you, there's a knowing inside of you of what that's like.
Casey: It's hard to put words to, of course, it's hard for anyone to put words to the language of the body. Um, and it was also interesting what you shared about how [00:12:00] fear can exist in the body, alongside the clear knowing and that, uh, that felt really prominent to shine a light on, because it sounds like that might be part of our process.
Casey: It might even be present for you right now. Actually. I don't know. Is that true for you? Like maybe a bit of nervousness. Yeah.
Selena: Yeah. I think big decisions like this. Yeah, I just think understanding what the fear is and then understanding, because the fear can easily get mixed up with the cloud for me, um, or feed the cloud. So yeah, I think fear might be a Providence part of the conversation.
Casey: Yeah. Yeah, totally. That makes perfect sense. So it sounds like fear may be something that we need to address or resolve in order to get you the clarity that you're looking for. And that grounded felt sense of your inner knowing. Yeah. [00:13:00] Tell me more about the fear.
Selena: I just caught this body sensation of. Like almost like a being choked,
Casey: Okay.
Selena: the inside. Like, um, and then now it's like going down words into my stomach and it's like a tingling sensation, like, Ooh, contractive.
Casey: Got it.
Selena: Like I'm going into fighting stance already.
Casey: Interesting. And, and I noticed there, you also put your hands into fists and kind of like brought them in close towards yourself. It's fascinating how your body reacts and responds to, um, to kind of what's coming up in the space. Um, how open are you to exploring that body with. [00:14:00] Okay. Does that, does that feel like the direction that, yeah, it'll reveal some wisdom for sure.
Casey: Okay.
Selena: I'm like, yeah, we're supposed to go into this fear.
Casey: Got
Selena: Of course we are.
Casey: Yes. Yes, of course. And of course we sometimes need space held to go into that part because it can be the uncomfortable part. Like it's, it's, um, a bit more challenging for any human to connect with and be with the constrictive sensations, the uncomfortable sensations in their body on their own.
Casey: And so it sounds like having this space together can maybe support safety in exploring. Constriction that fight mode and reveal some wisdom that connects right back into your working career life.
Selena: Yeah.
Casey: Okay. So I invite you if you feel safe to do so to let your eyes gently close, and you can also keep them open, just sort of gazing at [00:15:00] a spot in front of you, whatever feels best for you and just connect with the natural flow of your breath.
Casey: And I'm feeling called to ask before we really do explore these sensations. What, if anything, you need to feel even safer or even braver as you connect with the fear.
Selena: Um, I think just to be held in it and to be seen in it.
Casey: You are held and you are seen, you know, I'm here to support that. And of course, um, if there's an openness to like spiritual support, We can also ask that you are supported by the energy around, by whatever essences you connect with ancestors guides,[00:16:00]
Casey: even just setting the intention. May you be supported in this space?
Casey: You were telling me about the fear and I asked you. To say a little more about that. And as that invitation came out and into the space, you said you noticed this body sensation of almost like a choking feeling from the inside. I'm curious as you attuned to your body, if that is still present and or what else you notice.
Casey: So when you feel called to share about what you're feeling.
Selena: Yeah, there's still like, it's moved from a choking sensation to more like a, a weight in my, my throat and then like a tenseness in my shoulders and arms. I feel a little bit frozen [00:17:00] in space.
Casey: Beautiful descriptive words. So there's this heaviness in the throat. I'm almost sensing it. Is that kind of at the bottom of the throat or where, where, yeah. Can you kind of feel that, so heaviness in the throat tension in the shoulders, um, this frozenness in space, it sounds like there's almost like a holding, like you're holding your body.
Casey: Does that feel accurate?
Casey: So as always, we bring. Uh, gentle curiosity and compassion to body sensation. And I invite you to bring about this like exploratory intention. As you get to know the sensations a little bit more closely,[00:18:00]
Casey: as you already know, you may. Imagine a little version of you kind of crawling inside and getting curious about these sensations as a way to explore
Casey: no need to fix anything, just feel it.
Casey: sensation in this moment is most asking for your awareness.
Selena: It's funny. As soon as the little me went in, um, she, it was lands by the heart. There's just like a yellow glow behind that right now.
Casey: Behind the heart.[00:19:00]
Casey: Notice that
Casey: how the little you creates this yellow glow behind the heart. The idea of an awareness of presence, a witnessing part shows up as a yellow glow behind the.
Casey: Is that where your focus is right now. Okay.
Selena: There's like a, I tenderness to it. Like.
Casey: Uh, tenderness. Like a bit of rawness vulnerability.
Selena: Exactly
Casey: What does that feel like? And I know this is a hard question, but what does that feel like in terms [00:20:00] of the physical sensation that you're aware of there that tenderness, rawness vulnerability.
Selena: it feels. Like I've taken off some armor
Casey: Great metaphor. So it's like a bit exposed.
Selena: and everything feels just like soft. There's not a lot of like rigidness or
Selena: yeah. Rigidness is the best word.
Casey: Um, notice that this glow behind the heart that you associate with a tenderness, a vulnerability, a dropping of the armor that feels like soft and open. [00:21:00] Um, the words like a little bit hesitantly open are coming to me and I'm not sure why.
Selena: Perfect words.
Casey: Okay, so that resonates. Yeah. Like, um, how old is this sensation?
Selena: I want to say this one's young.
Casey: Yeah.
Selena: It feels innocent. And.
Casey: Hmm. Interesting word, aloof and innocent. So just notice that allow all to be here with this openness, to tap into what is here to reveal.
Casey: So what I heard you say is that this sensation in the heart, this [00:22:00] vulnerable tender sensation feels young and innocent and a little bit aloof.
Casey: I'm noticing something shift very subtly, like in, toward your throat and jaw. And I'm curious, what's what's happening for you now, as you tune into that.
Selena: Um,
Selena: there was this late picture in my mind
Casey: Yeah.
Selena: around like a little girl running through a dark forest being really scared. And then like, she finds a little place to hide that feels safe until the morning.
Casey: Okay. [00:23:00] Wow, beautiful. Um, intuition, like maybe a form of clairvoyance vision seeing.
Casey: So just allow yourself to stay with that, this vision of running through the dark forest and finding maybe a little spot for refuge and there's vulnerability there too. And tenderness. Yeah. Okay.
Selena: And in the body, there's a sensation
Casey: Yeah.
Selena: below the throat. At the high part of the chest tightness.
Casey: Notice that, and notice your natural tendency to bring your hands there, to touch and to [00:24:00] place energy on where the tightness is.
Casey: Okay. So what started as a yellow glow that felt tender, vulnerable, exposed, turned into a vision. Through the dark forest, finding a spot to just like stay put for a moment. It's a young part and there's this tension or tightness at the top of the chest, bottom of the throat. So just continue to allow your awareness to observe what's happening inside.[00:25:00]
Selena: My awareness just like went up here to the clouds
Casey: Yeah. Completely normal experience that whoop whoop.
Selena: out of the body.
Casey: Yeah. Okay. So notice that notice in this exploration, as you recognize, like the tension, the vulnerability, the tenderness, as you start to bring awareness to those parts, that younger part, that innocent part. And then something shifted and awareness traveled upward into the clouds.
Casey: All of that is welcome. All of that is okay. Just witnessing.
Casey: And if you [00:26:00] can gently bring yourself back into your body, I invite you to do that now. Are you able to do that now? Got it.
Selena: I'm back into my chest and rib cages cage right now.
Casey: Okay, what's happening in the chest and rib cage now.
Selena: Um, there's like a sensation of tightness, but it's like Structure.
Selena: I guess, around my ribs right here.
Casey: Structure.
Selena: yeah. And it's interesting. When I went up into my head, I was like problem solving. [00:27:00] So it's like coming back into the body, it's like verus a little bit of like being held and knowing I'm.
Selena: Strong, maybe it's the best word
Casey: yeah. Yeah. And how interesting that, that sense came in, like at the ribs like that there's structure sturdiness and, and of course there's literal ribs that are protecting your most tender, inner most parts. Yeah. Beautiful. So keep your awareness here. We'll stay here for a little bit longer, just exploring the inner world,
Casey: noticing the young tender part, and then also this [00:28:00] new awareness of structure. It sounds like the structure feels supportive. It doesn't feel constrictive. It feels like holding. Yeah.
Selena: Yeah, it feels.
Selena: Self-trust.
Casey: Um, beautiful. Got it. Like, like you've got yourself in the tender moments too. Okay. Spend a couple more moments, attuning to the raw physical sensations, the whatever, um, intuitions arise as you are in your body. Of course, that might be through vision or hearing or feeling sensing, knowing. So just spend a couple moments, more observing,[00:29:00]
Casey: um,
Casey: where's your awareness now?
Selena: It's a lower it's right? Where that solar plexus is. It's not bad, like clear knowing it's like the opposite. like some constriction and like the pulsing. Um, we're just not there yet.
Casey: Yeah, got it. Got it. So a bit of nervous energy.
Selena: Yeah.
Casey: What are you not there yet? Like what are you referring to there?[00:30:00]
Selena: That's a great question.
Casey: not not where yet.
Selena: Ready to make any decisions.
Casey: Okay. Okay. I wonder if there's a way to, um, stay connected with that part. So it sounds like there's wisdom coming through already theirs.
Selena: Yeah.
Casey: And let's actually just connect in with the different parts. Starting with the one you just mentioned, there's this sort of nervous energy in the solar plexus that is saying we're not ready yet.
Casey: We're not there yet. We're not ready to make decisions yet. And what's happening. Do you still have access to the tender part and the heart or some version of that?
Selena: It's kind of like some curtains and it's just picking out a little bit.
Casey: Okay, so a little bit of a subtler [00:31:00] sensation, a peaking sensation. Wonder if there's a way with your awareness that you can ask that part, the part that's peeking out, the tender young part. What is the wisdom that you have here? What are you needing?
Selena: There's just like,
Selena: all of this is true.
Casey: Mm. Okay. So the wisdom from that part is like, all of this is true. All of this is real your body is. Speaking is what it is right now. Okay. So if we could just trust that for a [00:32:00] moment and trust that also, it's not your only opportunity to receive wisdom from that part, did something else just shift.
Selena: No. I'm just like, yeah, of course.
Casey: Of course what?
Selena: of course. All of this is true.
Casey: Yes, of
Selena: my body, my little me is so wise.
Casey: Yeah, totally. Okay. So we have, we have, I'm more just not ready to make a decision yet. We have all of this is true from that young part. And if you can, can you stay connected to, or bring into your awareness? The part that felt like the structure? Yeah. What wisdom does that part have for you?[00:33:00]
Selena: That I'm strong and I'm supported and I can trust myself.
Casey: yeah, you're strong. You're supported. You can trust yourself. All of this is true. We're not quite ready to make a decision.
Casey: I'm wondering if you can connect in with the nervous part, that's not quite ready to make a decision and ask, what do you need to support the decision-making process? What do you need to feel safe
Selena: time?
Casey: time? Okay.
Casey: Beautiful.
Selena: That's it.
Casey: Yeah. Amazing. [00:34:00] I'm feeling called to ask almost as if these, you know, Marna integrated holistic perspective, like bring your awareness to all three of these parts at once. And I invite you to inquire, like what other wisdom do you together have for me?
Casey: Um,
Casey: Yeah. Notice that there was a deep breath in tears in your eyes. Let that flow, like see if you can soften around the tears and the deep breath and let that wisdom come through.[00:35:00]
Selena: Um, you will know. this, the list.
Casey: you will know. And now we might be pushing it with one more question. You tell me, but I'm curious if there's an ask of like, how will, you know.
Selena: I just thought like this vision of like a light spewing out of me and you just. You just, can't not do it with the words.
Casey: whoa. Yeah, like you won't miss it. There'll be like a fricking lighthouse shining the path in front of you. Okay, beautiful. How [00:36:00] does that feel to receive that wisdom?
Selena: So nice. It feels so hell
Casey: Wow. Yeah. Such support. Okay. So I'm going to invite you to stay here just a little bit longer and with the invitation to find a way to honor these parts that presented themselves today to honor and have reverence for your body and its wisdom. And the intuitions that have come through in various ways through sensation, through vision, through metaphor, through knowing
Casey: I'm almost getting this sense of like, expanding that light, like, [00:37:00] uh, allowing this light to encompass all of these parts. But follow what feels authentic for you.
Casey: And then when this process feels complete, I invite you to reconnect with your breath.
Casey: And then take your time to slowly come back. Yes. Moving your body, maybe taking up [00:38:00] a Yon or circling your wrists. And then taking your time to blink your eyes open and come back into our space together.
Casey: Welcome back.
Casey: At the start of our time together today, you said you wanted space held in the decision making process there would be some clarity through the cloudiness above your head, and you would feel that clarity or that knowing in part by dropping into the box. [00:39:00] You had a sense that there would be some expansion as well as some fear present and maybe the need to discern between the two.
Casey: And we went into this practice together, and I'm curious on a scale from one to 10, how much progress you feel we've made toward your overall intention and goal?
Selena: Like I'm a scale of one to 10. I got a lot,
Casey: Sure.
Selena: I nine. Um, yeah, it just feels so clear on how we'll know.
Casey: Yeah. Yeah. Tell me a little bit more about the nine out of 10. Like what happened? What did you witness in yourself that is [00:40:00] really relevant for this moment in time? And for these questions that you're asking yourself and your work life.
Selena: I think there's all of us. I'm just noting down the wisdom from my body.
Selena: The first piece of all of this is true. Like all of what I feel is real and I'm going to be holding all of the emotions. Um, and then there's the self-trust piece around. Like he works supported
Casey: Yeah.
Selena: if you follow what you know is right. And then seeing that vision of like what the clear knowing would be like, [00:41:00] and knowing that I just won't not be able to do it.
Casey: Yeah,
Selena: It's just, I feel supported and trusting
Casey: totally. Yeah, it sounds, it sounds like, um, there's this conviction around timing, like you will know clearly clear as day when the timing is right and you can, you can trust yourself.
Casey: Right on. Um, what are you needing from here? There's this part of me, that's wondering if there's any actioning necessary something else. So tell me what your next step is.
Selena: I'm so glad this [00:42:00] is.
Selena: recorded
Casey: Yeah.
Selena: because I can go listen to my own wisdom. Um,
Selena: um, just like giving myself the space, like I'm, I'm seeing myself making a hot cup of cacao and. Allowing it to be.
Casey: Yeah. Yeah, I'm really hearing that, that with the self-trust and the knowing of the timing and the connection with your body, that it's really a matter of space. And you said hot cookout sounds like comfort, maybe some nurturing of that inner child, or maybe those nervous parts. And, uh, just being with yourself.
Selena: Yeah, you got it.
Casey: Beautiful. Oh, what do you need to feel complete?[00:43:00]
Selena: A big virtual hug.
Casey: Oh, well, here you go. Through the screen. We can just like big self hug, virtual hug. Don't we all need more hugs period these
Selena: Period.
Casey: Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
Selena: I can also, I think I heard my cat scratching the door,
Casey: Right
Selena: she's ready to give a hug.
Casey: love that. Okay. Beautiful. Well, thank you so much for sharing, you know, your, your truth and your questions and your journey and exploration and body wisdom with not just me, but the listener. Um, we always gained so much wisdom from. Each other, so I appreciate you being here and excited to hear more about what comes next.
Selena: Thank you for having me.
Casey: You're so welcome. Take really good care.
Casey: Thank you so very much for tuning [00:44:00] in my hope is always that through listening into others, perspectives, stories, questions, process that you receive wisdom for your own situation, especially if you've been in this community members shoes. As I was coaching this community member actually after. Hung up the call.
Casey: I had this thought about timing in sales. We'll often say that a sale happens when you have the right offer for the right person at the right time. And I think for specific types of choices, especially when it comes to these big life decisions, that timing matters there as well for about five years, for example.
Casey: Wanted to podcast and resisted and resisted it and tried to dig in to like, what am I fearful of? What is going on? You know, I love speaking, [00:45:00] where am I getting stuck here? And then when I actually launched the purpose map podcast, I had this feeling of, oh, it just wasn't the right time. And without a doubt, in my mind, it felt like a timing thing more than anything.
Casey: And I kind of had had this feeling, wow, I wish I hadn't spent so much energy trying to diagnose the resistance. And of course no regrets. That's part of the process, but timing matters. And so for this client, uh, that felt like her truth that. I just need time and I'll know when I know. And I wonder if this is true for you or if it's not, sometimes I think we can use timing as a scapegoat from making courageous decisions.
Casey: So sometimes we need to leap before we're perfectly ready and not put off that bold move. [00:46:00] Um, any longer. And here's the truth only, you know, what it is that you need, or at least your body knows. So I'm curious what you're taking from this episode as always, you can connect in by emailing [email protected].
Casey: And I can't wait to hear how this impacted you. That's all for today. Take really good care. Bye now.
